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This does unfortunately happen multiple times per day. Sometimes it’s smaller incidents where the tram driver can get out and collapse the car’s mirror. Other times the owner of the car comes out of a nearby house after the tram used its bell extensively (like today) and moves the car. And then there are times when police needs to get involved to tow the car which often takes upwards of 1 hour.

The truly infuriating part is that if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

Why do we accept that drivers sabotage a city’s public transport infrastructure like this?

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 days ago

In Amsterdam they just drive on and push the car off the tracks lmao.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As a car guy (yes I know where I am - I don't live in a city though), idiots like this make no sense to me.

If you enjoy driving, you should in fact be in favor of public transit. It means less traffic, makes driving nicer. Even if you're 100% self-absorbed, you should still be supportive of public transit.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Welcome to the war on cars, car guy.

But legit this take makes so much sense. The whole point of the war on cars is that we all have options that meet our needs. People who need to take cars, due to distance or disability can, because the roads are clearer with others taking transit, walking or biking. Multi-modal transit benefits car people as much as it does everyone else.

[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

This is really something that should be pushed way way more

[–] Ostrichgrif@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

As a car enjoyer the world would be a significantly better place if the people who didn't want to drive cars didn't have to. Most of my frustrations driving are caused by too many people on the roads and people that clearly could give less of a shit about driving a vehicle but have no other option. All my friends in the car community are in agreement on that

[–] bier@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're bi and that's totaly okay! I also like my car and enjoy decent public transportation and walkable cities.

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 85 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 40 points 6 days ago (3 children)

People keep doing it because they get away with it.

Put a cow-catcher on the front, like the old-timey trains, and roll those cars out of the way. Make sure that it gets covered heavily in the media, with cars left on their sides and roofs.

The scofflaws will get the message really quick, and stop it.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (6 children)

This is the way. Its like how fireman handle someone parking in front of a hydrant. They go through the car with fire axes. The persons doing it deserve it.

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[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Can't spell Tram without Ram.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you, the first pedestrian to step in front of one of those things is going to have a very bad day™.

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[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Tram should be allowed to ram them.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago

Armour the front of the trams and let slip the dings of war.

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[–] SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 5 days ago (16 children)

The city of St. Gallen in Switzerland simply charges CHF 20 per minute that the tram is blocked. (21€ / $25) https://www.srf.ch/news/zug-blockiert-falschparken-kostet-20-franken-pro-minute

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[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The fact that the drivers aren't fined is what's most wild to me. Where I live they fine the everliving fuck out of you if you park somewhere you're not supposed to.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 33 points 6 days ago

Trams should operate on fire truck rules.

You don't need a fine, per se, you just get billed for the repairs after it rams your vehicle out of the way.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 28 points 6 days ago

Slap a cow catcher on the front of those trams and blast those mfers out of the way. Park on the tracks at your own risk assholes.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago

In Belgium it works like this: If the tram could seemingly pass, but the tram driver was mistaken, then the car owner + insurance has to pay the tram company for the damage/delay/towing. If the tram driver has to stop and wait for the car to get towed, then the car owner + their insurance have to pay for towing costs + the tram delay. In theory anyway: I don't know hard the enforcement is, maybe they only try to go after delay costs if they are significant.

Dutch article with 2 examples, first one with car at fault, 2nd one with bus at fault: https://mijnverkeersongeval.be/nl/faq_categories/aansprakelijkheid/bijzondere-gevallen/tram

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 39 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Big fine + towed car. Even those car brains will learn.

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[–] Microw@piefed.zip 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In Vienna, over the last decade the authorities have removed hundreds of parking spots like this where cars repeatedly blocked the tram. Now, the number of times it happens is very low, since the spots that remain should be very easy to Park in a way that doesnt block

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

According to my social media feed from yesterday everyone in Vienna has to park like this

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 days ago (3 children)

AchBremen.txt

This is particularly bad in this German city, the city state even won a court case that allows on-curb parking, because the city is too afraid of car owners and too little of pedestrians, wheelchair users and bicycle riders.

The sound of the bell makes me so angry.

Sometimes, the tram passengers group up and move small cars out of the tracks manually.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Or any car abandoned on the tracks becomes public property and is auctioned off to improve the trams

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gotta fine that shit, that is unacceptable, wtf. Weak af.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

THAT is exactly the problem.

The politicians made sure the Law was set-up to benefit car owners and screw the rest, similarly to how drivers will get a mere fine when they kill somebody with their car whilst distracted (say, looking at their mobile phones) in situations which if they didn't do it behind the wheel of a car would be treated as involuntary homicide (what Americans call manslaughter) and carry a jail sentence, because they didn't have due care and attention whilst controlling a dangerous piece of machinery.

I once heard (not really sure if it's true, but damn I would love if it was) about how in Switzerland they had this car tow which was simply a big grab claw - similar to those in junkyards - that just grabbed irregularly park cars from above to put it in the tow truck and, well, any damage to the vehicle was the responsability of the car owner for having parked the car like that

Have something like that and this problem you're describing (in, judging by the picture, Bremen in Germany) would solve itself within a month as news travelled of car owners doing this shit and getting their car trashed. Then again, German mainstream politicians absolutelly are in the pockets of the car industry (all it takes is to look at how the handling of the Emissions Scandal was basically "blame some random Engineer", or check which companies get the most subsidies in Germany), so don't expect pro-people legilstation if it goes against the interests of the car lobby.

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[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 25 points 6 days ago

The transportation company is not responsible if passengers break the windows of the car and flatten their tires. I guess doing this a couple of times and the newspapers reporting crazy team users destroying cars on the path of the train will fix the issue.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think this is more fuck shitty drivers/parkers, than it is fuck cars. You can have a car, and not park like an asshole. Shit like this, needs to be ticketed HARD. Like "If you block the tram/bus lane, you WILL be fined FROM(not upto) £1000 per minute that the tram/bus is delayed.". If people cant park properly on their own, fuck um. Make them do it in the way they will feel. If you want to get the rich assholes, gauge the fine by post code. The better the post code, the higher the starting point of the fine.

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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Put a bull bar on the tram, easy fix

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

How can they install a track and not bother to paint a parking line on the road.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

IMO, as a driver, tow them. There should be a city ordnance in place that as soon as a tram needs to stop because of a poorly parked vehicle, they call for a tow immediately. If you get back to your car before the tow truck shows up, you can avoid being towed by simply getting the fuck out of the way. If not, good luck idiot.

There should be zero tolerance for this kind of fuckary.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Surprised. In Belgium it is a minimum of 150 for the first parking violation.
Going up by 100 each time.
Blocking the tram is a more severe one, 400+

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I assume the spot is clearly labeled for no parking? Just station a tow truck by the offending spot. Someone parks there they get an insta-tow. Word will get around quick enough.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah tow truckers live for this sort of gig, multiple tows per day, while basically hanging out

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[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Whoa and that in Germany where people are pretty law-abiding.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago

Not when it comes to cars

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