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Another round of terminations, combined with previous layoffs and departures, has reduced the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention workforce by about 3,000 people since January.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 78 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

I don't understand. It just does not make any sense, even for a far-right autocratic regime.

The only explanation is that whoever is pulling the strings behind all those clowns really just wants to destroy the whole government & administration. Using crackpot media pundits as useful idiots.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 94 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

It’s called the Dark Enlightenment, they essentially want to accelerate civilization collapse so their utopian vision is realized. The financial backers behind Trump adopted this philosophy, and have articulated their plan: dismantle democracy, Balkanize America and establish a patchwork of technomonarchy city-states. People really need to be talking with their community about localization of production of basic necessities, otherwise it will be chaos, famine and death when the system fails.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 4 weeks ago

I'd think this is a crazy conspiracy theory, except that it's pretty much all written down in the open. No crazy links to obscure Catholic orders and Mason lore and George Soros. It's just "Peter Thiel listens to Curtis Yarvin, and Thiel is getting his money's worth from saving the Trump Campaign from financial ruin".

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

utopian

For them, sure. Feudalism is pretty utopian when you’re a king, not a peasant

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, isn't it funny how their utopia is everyone else's dystopia? Ha! Hilarious! 😮‍💨

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

The independent Texas power grid suddenly makes sense...

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Until it fails from yet another once-in-a-century ice storm this decade. But they'll probably blame meteorologists for getting the once-in-a-century "wrong" rather than understand the effects of climate change.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Climate change and extreme wealth inequality are the primary drivers of civilization collapse. From that understanding, the actions of this administration makes perfect sense.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 4 weeks ago

Especially if combined with rampant diseases and resource depletion.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 4 points 4 weeks ago

Why were you down voted?
You kinda make a good point.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Their utopian vision is really weird. I like having humans, they create cool stuff. My anime, tasty plebian food, and so much more are made by the hands and minds of ordinary people.

What is the point of being "rich", if all the neat things are gone?

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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 7 points 4 weeks ago

It's times like these I'm happy that my mom still has her farmland and I spent all of high school working it. I need to invest in seeds.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Oof. I knew Peter Thiel and by extension this fucker's "philosophy" is behind it, but I guess I never realized how neatly it all fits until now.

Once again, dictators usually tell you what they want to do, better listen.

Except this time one has to be aware of the dictator behind the dictator, and way too few people are.

For Thiel, such a malleable (i.e. 100% corrupt) government must be his life's wet dream.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago

They do, group number 1, billionaires who want their own neofuedal kingdoms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

Group 2, Putin and Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Remember when Ronald Reagan said this in 1981?

government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.

American conservatives grabbed onto that line and have held it as gospel ever since. Kneecapping the government has been a major goal of theirs for over four decades now. You will sometimes hear people talk about "bleeding the beast": taking all the government benefits they can get their hands on and then dodging taxes, with the assumption they are helping to slowly kill the system. Unfortunately, there is no plan (AFAIK) for what they want the world to look like after the collapse.

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[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Less money spent on services means more money can be spent on the king’s new palace. At least that’s the way it worked in France long ago.

If the numbers are public, have a look at what your local dictator is spending it on.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

At this point, I'm convinced the motive for most of what the Trump regime does is gratuitous cruelty. Once you accept that explanation, all those motherfuckers do starts to make sense.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe on the surface. Once you realize that Peter Thiel is the main cash daddy behind the posse, and how beholden he is to this "philosophy", it makes even more sense.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, Russia.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 4 points 4 weeks ago

They won through lies and deception, now they need to comply unless they want to enrage their ever diminishing support base.

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago

I'm sure it is something like 'lets make it private and 1000x more expensive. Also, only my guy has the right company for the task.'

[–] broja@piefed.social 75 points 4 weeks ago

I have a friend working there. At least she was until 4 AM Saturday. But surprise, she's working there again as of Sunday. Pure chaos!

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 63 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fucking imbecile MAGA ghouls, all of this because of contention over well-established, well-researches, well-supported results from inoculation campaigns, and the ideology surrounding medical treatment for the trans community. A lot of people are going to get sick in the U.S. (I know, I know, they already are but Measles outbreaks are set to increase in scale and scope), and this is going to get really, really fucking bad. Expect for people that you know to start dying from diseases that were killing members of your grandparent's generation. See image of U.S. states affected by Measles outbreaks in 2025:

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (13 children)

Expect for people that you know to start dying from diseases

Eh, I've decided people need to learn the hard way. Meanwhile, I'll be getting my government-sponsored shots & boosters for free here in the south. Good luck with everything, neighbors!

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

Our youngest had some form of measles before she could get the MMR vaccine. Wildest part was taking her to the hospital and no one knowing wtf to do. The doctors all basically shrugged and said good luck. She seems fine now 3 years later, but her immune system seems wildly fucked up. Like totally fine to some sicknesses and horrible responses to others.

Edit: I mean this in a, "It's Illegal to say what I want to do to you" way. If you don't get the MMR vaccine when you could've, you are directly responsible for my child's suffering. I want you to feel that suffering.

[–] faxed@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-damage-immune-system-studies-show

Clinicians and epidemiologists have long known that measles infection increases childhood morbidity and mortality for as long as 5 years after illness, and measles in the pre-vaccination era was likely associated with at least half of all childhood deaths from infectious diseases.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've decided people need to learn the hard way

Bold of you to assume people will learn. Didn't you hear about that couple whose kids died from measles and they said afterwards that they still feel their decision to not vaccinate the kid was right.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

vaccines? where we're going, we don't need vaccines!

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

(it's hell)

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Only been let's see here... ah 4 years since the last global pandemic. Yep, good time to gut the agency tasked with responding to pandemics 🫠

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Gutting it again. Trump killed the pandemic response team in his first term.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

The first time he pulled any funding the US had for foreign pandemic prevention because Republicans don't see the point of spending money on another person. Just a year and a half before COVID started actually. Because they know better than anyone else that infections unlike illegal aliens respect international boarders and an endemic in Asia can never become a global pandemic that reaches American shores. That's obviously antifa propaganda.

/S incase it wasn't obvious enough

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah. Because just not looking for new diseases erupting is such a great idea. I hope Europe and China are doing their due diligence, and hopefully we don't have the next big disease kick off in the USA.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh it most certainly will. The worst pandemic is one full of ignorant people and leadership. They’re basically a powdered keg from a disease standpoint.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Next pandemic is gonna be lit.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

As in, the cities will burn.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 weeks ago

They already are.

DEC 10 2024 - Malibu

Malibu barbie was asked for comment.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Well, fire is a good method for eradicating certain pathogens. Just hopefully, the idiot king doesn't start talking about getting fire inside people to fight the disease.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

If anyone at the CDC is reading this: destroy the smallpox sample before trump decides to use it.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This looks like a silent invasion 70s script.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago
[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 weeks ago

Friend of mine working on big shit there got furloughed then fully fired as of Friday from the CDC.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Make miasma theory great again.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago

I read this in Jar Jar Bink's voice

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

You ask why? I think the ideological side of Maga understands, on some basic level, the challenges of ecological overshoot. They heard about degrowth and are trying the psychopath version of getting populations down.

Short of an all out war, disease is the next best way to shave some numbers off our 8.2 billion. Remember the US CDC also studies every nightmare bacteria and virus, including gain of function. Now we have a bunch of unemployed and unemployable virologists whose degrees just became useless. I wonder if anyone might steal from their employer and have a 12 Monkeys kind of time.

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