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Eh, I've decided people need to learn the hard way. Meanwhile, I'll be getting my government-sponsored shots & boosters for free here in the south. Good luck with everything, neighbors!
Our youngest had some form of measles before she could get the MMR vaccine. Wildest part was taking her to the hospital and no one knowing wtf to do. The doctors all basically shrugged and said good luck. She seems fine now 3 years later, but her immune system seems wildly fucked up. Like totally fine to some sicknesses and horrible responses to others.
Edit: I mean this in a, "It's Illegal to say what I want to do to you" way. If you don't get the MMR vaccine when you could've, you are directly responsible for my child's suffering. I want you to feel that suffering.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-damage-immune-system-studies-show
We are very aware of the long term damage it may have caused. Hoping that us not being dumber than a bag of rocks and getting her vaccinated now helps.
She got is from someone, and there is a good chance this person was unvaccinated...
I'm glad that someone said this, it's often lost in the conversation about communicable diseases. Vaccination doesn't guarantee that you won't catch, suffer from, or transmit an illness. The jabs aren't Superman essence, it's just that in my understanding, you're more likely to be affected in a way more akin to getting hit by a bicycle than a MAC truck (you're hurt but not hopelessly crippled or killed outright), and less likely to pass it along. To what degree, I couldn't say, but it's less which is good by me.
Don't hesitate, if someone is stupid enough to do it and openly admit it, just punch them in the mouth immediately. No warning, right in the teeth.
Bold of you to assume people will learn. Didn't you hear about that couple whose kids died from measles and they said afterwards that they still feel their decision to not vaccinate the kid was right.
Some don't learn, even after getting lessons the hard way. Others forget very quickly. Someone posted this scanned news clipping from the early 20th century in light of similar 'anti-masking' during the COVID pandemic. It's always the same types of bullheaded dolts, and they're not the only ones falling victim to their imbecile behaviour.
I did not and that's wildly insane.
Except that vaccines partially work because of herd immunity. My kid is and was vaccinated against whooping cough, but enough fucktards here in Texas refuse vaccines that it is spreading and he caught it despite being vaccinated. He was ultimately fine because he was 14 with a good immune system, but pertussis can be fatal for some patients, especially those too young to get vaccinated.
You don't sound like your smart enough to understand this explanation, but at least I tried.
I have a degree in pharmacology and biochemistry. Back off.
Yeah? I bet you're an expert.
The irony.
They shouldn't have made a personal attack like that, but they're not wrong. Herd immunity is needed. Individual vaccination, while helpful, isn't fool proof. Especially for highly infectious diseases like measles.
Idk, my advisor, a PhD in immunology, argued that the evidence for herd immunity in vaccine effectiveness was a bit shaky. I think I'm gonna listen to her rather than a random commenter with a personal agenda to Prove Me Wrong like that commenter.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'personal agenda.' I'm legitimately trying to have a productive conversation so please don't take anything said as a personal affront. We're just trying to express the importance of herd immunity as it stands from expert consensus on the subject.
If you have any studies on herd immunity not being as important, I would love to read through them.
I understand why you trust your advisor. I'm lucky enough to be friends with someone who was a professor of infectious disease, has a PhD in virology and created a vaccine. They are my go to for anything on the subject matter. Again, anything you can share on the topic is greatly appreciated.
That was for
👉 collapse_already@lemmy.ml
If you actually studied this science, then you should have learned not to listen to any one person's opinion. There is no shortage of Nobel laureates saying stupid things for which they know nothing about.
If someone says the science is shakey then it's more scientific to believe them than believe someone who is confident the theory is correct.
I think I'm going to listen to my immunology professor on things about immunology, but thanks for the reminder not to listen to people's opinions, especially online.
Non scholarly https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-breakthrough-cases-vaccination-important/story?id=120276354
scholarly https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9413104/
Given 97% efficacy of measles vaccine, how do you explain many countries have had measles elimination for so long?
I don't think you were following the thread closely. I'm not arguing against the efficacy of vaccines. There's exactly one sentence about herd immunity in your second link, and even then I'm only sharing the opinion of someone I know.