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"Anti-ai arguments literally support eugenics" (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 6 days ago by irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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Reminds me of this:

I think atproto is a good protocol, but god bluesky-the-company is dogshit.

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[–] self@awful.systems 17 points 4 days ago

this thread has broken containment, and the median quality of the discussion has dropped to the point where some rando decided to start a subthread about how it’s not ok to celebrate hitler’s death and also two regulars had an extremely heated fight about who was the most not-mad about the word chat as a noun/pronoun/whatever in English of all fucking things so uhhhh that’s all folks

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 days ago

How online do you have to be where "people dunking on AI "artists" is like Kristallnacht" doesn't sound completely fucking deranged?

[+] sleepundertheleaves@infosec.pub 82 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

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[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The 'change the subject' thing can be useful if you're changing like for like. Equating AI algorithms to the Jewish people is very far from that. To a disturbing degree.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s also why the right can’t meme

[+] sleepundertheleaves@infosec.pub 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it's the other way around. The memes are incredibly good at left vs right because left- and right-leaning people presume underlying facts and the memes reassure people that those facts are true and good (or false and bad, etc.) without doing any fact-finding.

When we say "the right can't meme" what we mean is that the right's memes are about projecting bigotry. It's like saying that the right has no comedians; of course they have people that stand up in front of an audience and emit words according to memes, tropes, and narremes, such that the audience laughs. Indeed, stand-up was invented by Frank Fay, an open fascist. (His Behind the Bastards episodes are quite interesting.) What we're saying is that the stand-up routine is bigoted. If this seems unrelated, please consider: the Haitians-eating-pets joke is part of a stand-up routine that a clown tells in order to get his circus elected.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago

In my understanding: they aren’t making jokes with the expectation that their audience laughs at the joke itself. The audience is laughing at the target of the joke. In this sense, you might say the right doesn’t meme, and further speculate that they can’t meme.

So yeah they post and repost a lot of “memes,” but it’s never really to be like: “look at this clever meme I made,” it’s just “look at this meme that makes fun of x people”. Their accusation of humorlessness is just a confession.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 17 points 4 days ago

This is called rationalizing because any relationship with reality it has is strictly rationed

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 62 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If we're going to focus on form instead of content, it's amusing that "if you say mean things about ai then you're a bigot" is the exact same form as "if you say mean things about Trump then you're a terrorist."

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Meanwhile I've seen people justifying the power use of genAI with "but people also consume as much if not more energy through their lives".

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 6 days ago (3 children)

the post: https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3m2f66lgh2c2v .

The person is a bluesky engineer.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 60 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Not only that, she introduced mass surveillance to Bluesky and is brainstorming further methods of such in response to getting clowned on so hard.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I'm not touching bluesky's servers after this.

Migration luckily works pretty well on atproto.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago

Rainbow painted fascist.

Scratch the surface too hard, oops, its another shitlib.

God I am so tired of idiots confusing identity politics and virtue signalling with being left wing, but apparently, most people really are just skin deep.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Thanks for surfacing this. Holy shit.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

Hoo boy. The original person being reposted continues on their original post that they believe we cannot be certain that genAI does not have feelings.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago

Just complete the delusional circuit and tell them you can't be sure they aren't an AI, ask them how they would prove they aren't.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Fuckin' clanker lovers.

It's only bigotry if you believe machines incapable of thought or feeling deserve human rights. In which case, you have bigger problems than people being "racist" against bullshit-ass generative AI.

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm so confused reading all this.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Their argument is something like this:

People might say something like "ai is incapable of thinking" or "ai is stupid", but if you replace the word "ai" with something like "women", you're saying something unacceptable.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud

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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

So they're attributing personhood to AI.

Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness.

Are they stupid?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

AI believers believe that stringing random words together is equal to consciousness, they absolutely are stupid.

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[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant!

[–] it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I love how this is so close to a cogent critique of people literally just repeating racist jokes but using a word swap to make them acceptable, and then the "(whatever that means)" hits and it all falls into place.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

.Hailey.at may currently be dating an AI and feels insecure about others judging them, so they must convince themselves that their linguistic vibrator has a soul.

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