The "church inside of an office space" thing was always so weird to me. Like, God is the most important thing in my life, but not to the point where we want to create like a dedicated space for worshiping him when there's a perfectly good strip mall right here

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

I get where you're coming from but at the same time, part of me thinks that utilising an existing space rather than building a whole new structure with limited uses is probably the best thing most of these denominations have ever done.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If it was a small religion with only a handful of local worshipers, I would get it as a concession to practicality. But major Christian denominations do it all the time, like you guys have the cash to build a chapel, what are you doing here?

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I grew up Christian so I can answer this:

Emphasizing aesthetics over the spirit of Christ is sinful. Why build a fancy chapel like that when you could use the money for mission work instead? Four walls, a ceiling, and the Body of Christ is all you need.

Trust me, as a lay person you are going to prefer the strip mall church over the giant chapel Church. The chapel people will judge how you dressed for church meanwhile the Strip Mall boy worship in street wear. Obviously a generalization but I find overproduced architecture on churches correlates with more Pharisee-like behavior. Is the mission how we look or what we do?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When I say "chapel" I had a tiny square building on a residential lot in mind, not a big cathedral like what the prosperity gospel grifters use.

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

Inside Christendom a tiny square building on a lot is largely interchangeable with a strip mall church depending on how rural or urban the region. And again why would the body of Christ spring for a building and real estate when they can accomplish the same things renting a unit in a strip mall? To the pious that's money that could be better spent on mission work but if you prefer pharisee style aesthetic Christianity there's no shortage of that either

And mind you there plenty of simple churches on single lots that have real fleshed out chapels and advanced architecture that are a far cry from prosperity gospel. There are scales and octaves to this shit

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah it's a weird differentiation, but it feels like American evangelicalism has decided that it's actually a good thing to set up next to the money changers now.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

I'm joining on this person's side. Well, they have a blue checkmark, so maybe not.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I remember being taught back in Catechism that stewardship of the natural world is a duty that humanity has. It was phrased in such a way that God gave us this world, and he'd probably like it if we took good care of it.

Not that these freaks give a fuck what the core tenets of the religion they claim to be a part of are. The bulk of them would be excommunicated for heresy if that was still a thing outside of the priesthood.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

Uhhh wow look at this woke lib. God gave us DOMINION over the Earth which means we get to subjugate and exploit it 🙄🙄🙄

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If it's not getting hotter, then why are all these chuds' brains cooked?

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

Covid ceviche

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Still expecting them to split the church and select an AI pope.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they will just jump to the next "based" christian sect until they eventually all become protestant evangelicals again

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Ah but you're missing the part where the evangelicals and the mormons combine into one even worse religion

The tradcaths will of course join them and this is when the AI pope comes into play

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why doesn't this guy get angrier about the fact that the actual USCCB has literally gone "lol" at dioceses getting swamped with sexual abuse cases of minors and refusing to take any responsibility in these cases instead letting the dioceses in states go bankrupt diocese by diocese as they quite literally rip the floorboards/wiring out by selling off churches and putting likely hundreds of thousands on unemployment?

Not that I think the actual papal state and USCCB would take responsibility, but it's been painfully obvious to anyone from the outside observing that they have a long history of covering up sexual abuses from the top-down. But taking responsibility on their side could mean they could actually pay out the 200 million+ dollar lawsuits in just one diocese with all the sheer fucking money that's there. Instead, they can shift out all the assets to Rome, claim bankruptcy and sell off the real-estate/diocese for money to pay off the victims.

Shit is a clown-show.

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A guy who publicly says "teen pregnancy is not a problem, the problem is actually unwed pregnancy" probably doesn't, in his heart of hearts, care very much about child abuse.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Probably not; just a blatant hypocrisy, though, not that it matters to them.

[–] Kopfrkingl@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, the "most progressive" pope had interesting opinions on gay people:

CW: Homophobia

“I said, ‘Yes, there is an air of removedry. It’s true, there is in the Vatican. But look, monsignor, today it is an honorific for our culture. Let us be careful, not to despise people with homosexual tendencies but to accompany them, there are so many good people.

“‘Accompany them, help them. Send them to psychologists. Please, however, be careful about accepting them in the seminary.

I am thoroughly convinced that Benedict's resignation that led to Francis's election was damage control against the vatileaks scandal and the piling up of sexual abuse accusations. The catholic church is an enemy of the people.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also, the “most progressive” pope had interesting opinions on gay people
...
Let us be careful, not to despise people with homosexual tendencies but to accompany them, there are so many good people.

Accompany them, help them. Send them to psychologists. Please, however, be careful about accepting them in the seminary.

tbf, that is very progressive for an institution whose previous position on gays was "they are an abomination against god and must surely go to hell"

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hereby ask the lathe to kill Matt Walsh for being an annoying twerp

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

He should get Kirk'd

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/b3475307-4e73-414d-a104-bd0ae4c1190a.gif?format=webp

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Does it count as holy water once the ice melts?

[–] Rose_Thorne@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's the third Transubstantiation, The Water of Christ.

Dude was well hydrated despite drinking all that wine.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

maybe the water -> wine thing was actually both ways and he'd turn the wine into water as he drank it

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It depends on where it melts I think. If it's kept in a vessel it does not matter if it freezes or melts it retains its nature as holy water. There are specific rules in Catholicism for how to treat holy water that freezes and it retains its blessing implicitly through the change of state, as its inherent nature is not changed.

Now if you boiled it the vapor would cease to be holy water because it has left its man-made vessel.

But this wasn't blessed using the specific types of prayer used to make holy water, so uhhh... actually I don't know after all.

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@grok what are the benefits to using holy water in your sauna?

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

The water would cease to be holy water the moment the moment it hit the hot stones.

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If this is "horrific" to him, I wonder how he'd react to, like, A Serbian Film

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Probably start masturbating

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Chuds love getting worked up about the least significant things

[+] fpuertas@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

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[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't think they're entirely an Israeli psy-op. There has been a growing schism between USCCB and Rome for a while now. While I do certainly agree there is Israeli agitation/coercion, there is a historical precedent here.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah. trad caths aren't a psyop. you find ultra catholics everywhere but their priorities are specific and local. american trad caths just behave like they were brought up in a culturally puritan nation.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Being American gives you high odds of being spiritually Protestant.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

yeah. i was discussing the concept of 'catholic guilt' with some friends from all over the world. the only catholics who'd heard of it were from protestant majority nations or countries historically colonized by protestant powers.

to be certain, the interplay of guilt, shame and sin is central to all christian denominations - but that is not to say every culture deals with guilt in the same way. when catholics from the US talk about sin and catholics from a latin american country talk about sin they are actually talking over each other. one of these is much bigger on forgiveness and humanity than the other.

pathologizing guilt in the way I read almost always in anglosphere websites just doesn't feel relatable to me and I have actual ultra catholics in my family. even within american christianity the idea of perpetual guilt doesn't appear to be uniquely catholic, even as it is identified as such.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

the interplay of guilt, shame and sin

And historically, also debt

Forgiving sin and forgiving debt used to be much more closely related

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah, growing up protestant in the US, here's what I was taught:

Humanity is so intrinsically vile that an eternity of torture in Hell is what every one of us deserves. God chose to forgive us (but we don't deserve it, so we'd better be grateful), and that's why you'd better believe in God (because you can't genuinely accept that forgiveness and will be forever tortured in Hell if you don't). Nothing else you do can make you any less repulsive ("all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags") and an idle stray thought about a thing is exactly as bad as doing that thing ("whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart").

I won't say my Christian upbringing is entirely or even mostly responsible for my life-long struggles with self-hatred, but it certainly didn't help.

[–] fpuertas@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Israeli psy-op

I'm kind of bullshitting here. Since neo-petencostal protestants are definitely being paid by Israel, it makes some sense that the people that have been lobbying for Israel inside the Church are being paid too, as this is the case of many Israel's lobbyists.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

trying to create schism inside the Catholic Church

Critical support.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the catholic right wasn’t so forgiving Liberation Theology would have been branded as Heresy back in the 80s.

The catholic left is in no way the dominant faction of the Catholic Church.

[–] fpuertas@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The Catholic "left" was the dominant faction of Catholic Church by the time Jonh Paul II was elected. Before that, Paul VI followed the work of John XXIII in making the Church more and more progressive, mainly by the II Vatican Council, when Paul died, John Paul I was elected and committed himself in continuing the work of his antecessors, unfortonaly, his papacy lasted only one month because he ~~was killed~~ died. In his place, Cardinal Wojtyła was elected, a notorious anticommunist that persecuted the followers of Liberation Theology (still, so were strong the movements behind the II Vatican Counsil that its achivments endured), his inquistor in that process became Benedict VI. The elections of Francis and Leon XIV apparently mark the restoration of John XXIII's tradition.

My point is this: if Paul VI wasn't so lenient, maybe the victory of catholic "left" could have been more definitive. But my original post was kind of a joke: these trad-"caths" make me crazy.