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I don't think they're entirely an Israeli psy-op. There has been a growing schism between USCCB and Rome for a while now. While I do certainly agree there is Israeli agitation/coercion, there is a historical precedent here.
yeah. trad caths aren't a psyop. you find ultra catholics everywhere but their priorities are specific and local. american trad caths just behave like they were brought up in a culturally puritan nation.
Being American gives you high odds of being spiritually Protestant.
yeah. i was discussing the concept of 'catholic guilt' with some friends from all over the world. the only catholics who'd heard of it were from protestant majority nations or countries historically colonized by protestant powers.
to be certain, the interplay of guilt, shame and sin is central to all christian denominations - but that is not to say every culture deals with guilt in the same way. when catholics from the US talk about sin and catholics from a latin american country talk about sin they are actually talking over each other. one of these is much bigger on forgiveness and humanity than the other.
pathologizing guilt in the way I read almost always in anglosphere websites just doesn't feel relatable to me and I have actual ultra catholics in my family. even within american christianity the idea of perpetual guilt doesn't appear to be uniquely catholic, even as it is identified as such.
And historically, also debt
Forgiving sin and forgiving debt used to be much more closely related
Yeah, growing up protestant in the US, here's what I was taught:
Humanity is so intrinsically vile that an eternity of torture in Hell is what every one of us deserves. God chose to forgive us (but we don't deserve it, so we'd better be grateful), and that's why you'd better believe in God (because you can't genuinely accept that forgiveness and will be forever tortured in Hell if you don't). Nothing else you do can make you any less repulsive ("all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags") and an idle stray thought about a thing is exactly as bad as doing that thing ("whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart").
I won't say my Christian upbringing is entirely or even mostly responsible for my life-long struggles with self-hatred, but it certainly didn't help.
I'm kind of bullshitting here. Since neo-petencostal protestants are definitely being paid by Israel, it makes some sense that the people that have been lobbying for Israel inside the Church are being paid too, as this is the case of many Israel's lobbyists.
Critical support.
If the catholic right wasn’t so forgiving Liberation Theology would have been branded as Heresy back in the 80s.
The catholic left is in no way the dominant faction of the Catholic Church.
The Catholic "left" was the dominant faction of Catholic Church by the time Jonh Paul II was elected. Before that, Paul VI followed the work of John XXIII in making the Church more and more progressive, mainly by the II Vatican Council, when Paul died, John Paul I was elected and committed himself in continuing the work of his antecessors, unfortonaly, his papacy lasted only one month because he ~~was killed~~ died. In his place, Cardinal Wojtyła was elected, a notorious anticommunist that persecuted the followers of Liberation Theology (still, so were strong the movements behind the II Vatican Counsil that its achivments endured), his inquistor in that process became Benedict VI. The elections of Francis and Leon XIV apparently mark the restoration of John XXIII's tradition.
My point is this: if Paul VI wasn't so lenient, maybe the victory of catholic "left" could have been more definitive. But my original post was kind of a joke: these trad-"caths" make me crazy.