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Zohran youth mandate remains 🔛🔝

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

pretty much the read on the majority of Americans right now is that they just want something, anything to change. If the Dems aren't offering change then they'll go to the Reps who will at least lie to them about their problems and their solutions.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

"Our strategy of saying 'You can eat shit and die' is losing to the other guys' 'we'll tell immigrants to eat shit and die.' Clearly we'll have to incorporate their strategy into ours; there's no way there's another solution" the-democrat

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

Given that Dems literally campaign on promises like "nothing will change", yeah. Proles are materially suffering, they know something has to change.

[–] mudpuppy@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

this looks really good for the theory that we havent really seen a shift to the right so much as weve seen a shift away from democrats. someone shows up acknowledging that we have problems and proposing relatively big scary plans to address them, and they start coming back, ive been saying this

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The American working class has fascist tendencies, but they are not through and through dedicated fascists in the way that Republicans are, and Democrats permit them to be with no opposition.

Modern Republicans could be tripped and suppressed down to 30% support by basic social democratic reforms (democratic socialism, even?), but the system obviously doesn't allow for that. Pro Israel+Medicare for all+legal weed would sweep in 2016, 2020, and maybe 2024, and then they could do some minimal environmental and lgbt protections along the way.

Democrats were in the shit before cause they can't even lie to voters about what they want to do, and by 2028 it will be impossible for them to win while being pro-israel which really is gonna squeeze them.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

I mean, just look at the average Republican voter. Even they do not want denaturalization of citizens, they want better economic outcomes where they live. Dems are saying go fuck yourself, republicans are at least saying they’ll try something

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I am increasingly convinced that the Democrats are facing the same crisis as the Whig party in the 1850s. They are nominally the party of progress, but their material interests are too rooted in the current system. So, they collapse under their own contradictions and a new party that is explicitly progressive (in regard to the primary contradiction of the time) emerges to replace them. The issue of the 1850s was slavery, the issue of the 2020s is capitalism. I would not be surprised to see an explicitly democratic socialist party come to replace the Democrats, made necessary by the fact that the Democratic party is structurally incapable of moving in that direction. Of course, the short term outcome of civil war seems like an inevitable consequence of that (even if we act in the most reformist way possible) so we need to plan accordingly

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

gold-communist incredibly accurate historic materialist analysis regarding the whigs. I have also said this a few times before

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Democrats are not asking themselves how they can reach young men across the aisle. That answer is easy, as Mamdani is demonstrating. Democrats have a much more challenging problem of how to trick people into voting for them without actually doing anything that would upset their bribery racket.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

they've given up on the trick part too, biden and harris ran on not changing anything

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They know that Zohran is popular, they just don't want to adopt any even vaguely left-leaning policies. They want to reach men/young people/those across the aisle without getting in the way of their donors squeezing every last penny out of the working class. It's not incompetence, it's pure corruption. The Democrats serve capital and only capital.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

dems: we want to win over young men with promises of brutal austerity and zoning codes

[–] mudpuppy@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (3 children)
[–] Rom@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I wonder what the 1% of conservatives are who have never heard of Donald Trump are like. Some orthodox religious sect that doesn't have phones, TVs, radios, or computers, maybe? People at biden-alert levels of disassociation from reality?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

most likely form errors and/or people messing around

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm inventing a new type of guy who went into a bunker in 2012 when he thought the world was ending and hasn't spoken to a single person since then^[aside from whoever brought him supplies but he never said a word to this person and the supplies were delivered via dumbwaiter] until someone knocked at his door last month to poll him and he went jesse-wtf because he has no idea who the fuck any of these people are

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Looks like they found around 10 of these guys

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Jews? Never heard of them."

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Is that like juice? I like juice

[–] THEPH0NECOMPANY@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

+1% on a +/- 3.3 margin of error poll does not indicate net favoriability , I think it's interesting that is split though.

I wished they had polled some more contemporary Dems on this list like Chuck Schumer or Pelosi or even Harris. I would bet that he polls way more positive than they would.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

I mean it’s net positive within that range so it’s net positive still, but I get what you’re saying. It’s unlikely to be a +4 but imagine?

[–] mudpuppy@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago
[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

it came to me in a dream

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

There's an implied "...while still getting our big corporate donor money" at the end of the "how do we reach them" question.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

Zohran cracked the code, but the dems (and some leftists) will let it slip through their fingers

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They're gonna learn nothing from this and become more racist instead

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

“how do we reach men/young people/those across the aisle?”

My bet is they'll put out a ~10 minute Youtube vid where Hakeem Jeffries passionately talks about healthcare subsidies. Because how can that fail?

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is this impressive because 19 is a lot for a leftist among that group?

[–] barrel_of_a_gun@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

he's a brown muslim socialist, the only thing that would make him scarier to the average conservative is if he was trans me thinks, so yes it is very impressive for him to have even that much just in general, but the fact that it's more than who finds him unfavorable is actually out of this world

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

tbh he's not very brown. Looks and sounds white enough to not scare the super-racists.

[–] barrel_of_a_gun@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

there's no way you're american and saying something like this

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

you think the beard is enough to scare 'em?

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Trump called him a "liddle' communist" earlier this week, so 19% favorable is pretty good