evil wizard cyborg : sigh

[+] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or sense that his long lost comrade in arms and former master was on board the station .... or that his son was there too ..... or that he had just finished interrogating his own daughter.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He didn't even know he had a son or daughter, so how's he supposed to sense them? It's possible he sensed something with Leia, but didn't know what it was. As for Luke and Obi-Wan it could easily be argued that Ben was cloaking them in the force. Especially since Vader did begin to sense Kenobi's presence, but only after he had finished disabling the tractor beam and was trying to lure Vader away from Luke and Leia escaping.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't their midichlorians be related too

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but a 19 year old farm boy who "used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16" was able to take out a multiquadrillion dollar military base in one shot with the Force. Force beats Death Star.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nah, just poor engineering by the Nazis.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It was still a very hard shot. Lots of older more experienced pilots using dedicated bombing craft and advanced targeting computers failed. Luke made the million to one shot raw using a fighter craft. That's hard.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but no harder than killing the Final Boss in a video game, which any teenager can handle.

The real problem was the open door left by some dumb Imperial Engineer who was hired for his idealogically purity, and not his competence.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think you'd do well to watch this video, it put the Death Star scene into a context I'd missed myself and I spent my childhood reading basically every bit of the EU:

https://youtu.be/lqJbJYViUog

Tl;Dr not only is the Death Star flawed, so are the fighters. Luke could not have made the shot without the Force because the targeting computer was wrong/jammed/not good enough. The point being that you can't put all your faith in technology.

Of course, on the other hand the Force didn't make the proton torpedoes either so I think the real point is Jedi should use more blasters.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

It was sabotage. Rogue one goes into how Galen erso puts the defect into the Death Star

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

They should not have made its one weakness shaped like and approximately the size of a womp rat.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Vader was talking about the Force as the will of the universe to make fate manifest itself. A Force user, properly attuned, would be able to sense the way the future was meant to unfold, and position themselves accordingly or (in Sith ideology), impose their vision of the future on reality. This was how Palpatine became emperor; he could see that the Force intended for massive galactic upheaval to take place, and was able to maneuver himself into winding up on top of the new status quo.

Yes, the Death Star was able to physically destroy a planet, but it was also the will of the Force that the Death Star and everyone on board should in turn be destroyed, and that all of their political goals should come to nothing, and there was nothing any of them could do about it. That is the true power of the Force.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Right, and Vader's religion is wrong because the Sith are a cancer on the Force, which is why it guides Luke in to both redeeming Vader and Rey in destroying the Sith for good.

The Force didn't intend for an upheaval, Palpatine is the upheaval. The Sith can steal power from the Force in the same way a tumor steals resources from the body.

The Jedi aren't completely right either, but their nature was symbiotic per Lucas, no matter what Reddit shitposting has to say on the topic.

[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I recently rewatched the original trilogy for the first time in a long while and I forgot how underpowered Darth Vader is in those movies. My personal favourite show of his strength with the force is from

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The ending of Jedi Fallen Order [link]. His effortless flick without even thinking about it is so badass.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

he is as strong as he needs to be for a compelling story. not sure who said something like that (maybe stan lee?). i dont know a single person who watched the original trilogy and did not see vader as a terrifying force.

yes, he did not show as much raw power as in some later media. but he left such an impression, that he still is one of the favourite antagonists now. in videogames, usually the player is served a power fantasy. so the antagonists also needs to up his power by a significant amount. otherwise he woud just be another goon.

[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

I don’t disagree, and I was terrified of him as a child (but also loved him at the same time). But seeing modern media with him in it and then going back to his debut is a bit jarring. He’s still a badass but not quite as ridiculously overpowered as in other media.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought the same thing. There's such a huge contrast between the boarding scenes linking up Rogue One and episode 4 in the original trilogy.

My personal favourite show of his strength with the force is from [...]

There was also a scene in the Obi Wan Kenobi series that I really liked and is very similar to your example: [link]

[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I haven’t seen the show but that scene is awesome.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

maybe you would also struggle to be a wizard if you were half defective cyborg did you think of that

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Given the rest of the story, it's pretty funny this guy knew nothing about the Force or Vader's skills. First day?

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

TBF the galaxy is a big place, and they don't really have the internet there, per se.

(But we all know the real answer is that the franchise wasn't really all that planned out in such intricate detail back then. Lucas was making up a lot of it as he went.)

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And think about the size of the empire, the logistics involved in all that. Vader isn't really seen as someone that helps much with that. Lazy fuck. Why not have him down in the loading bay to replace the forklift driver and get it all done in a fraction of the time.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah, a rational Empire officer would probably assume Vader is all propaganda smoke and mirrors and propped up as this fearsome boogeyman to quell opposition.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

Now I have to wonder if Vader needed to get certified to use his robot body 🤔

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lucas was making up a lot of it as he went

The correct answer. Though, basically every force user was killed or went into hiding 20 years prior to that movie. There's a chance that that officer only heard legends of space wizards and never saw any wizardry firsthand.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Even then there were only about ten thousand Jedi, even if they were still operating with the Jedi Lords system that isn't even enough for each star system.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Oh he knew. Imagine the story he had for his fellow SpaceRedditors on r/chokemedaddy r/leatherdaddysub and r/forcemeharder.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unwise, though. Religious zealots are prone to violence when their beliefs are challenged.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And in this case, his religion was real.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or the midichlorians are real and the religion is not.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what do you mean? maybe the living force is up to interpretation (religion) and jedi masters like qui-gon jinn had a leg up even on strong users like joda. but the force itself (what motti moked as sorcery and religion) is not really a religion. it is well understood and manipulated with precision, by a select few.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

The Sith are wrong, the Jedi are right. About overall Force philosophy, at least.

The Sith think that they can make Force give them more and more power, that they can bend it to their will and greed. They can, but in the way a cancer bends a host to its will and steals resources from it.

The Jedi view themselves as a symbiotic aspect, following the overall will of the Force, and they're (more) right, which is why they could defend the Republic for "a thousand generations" and win in the end.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah but he also found out his religion was, in fact, not bullshit shortly thereafter.

This is why religion shouldn't be discussed in the workplace. People will get hurt.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep. One time, I made a joke to my Christian coworker. Hit me with a "God Bless you." Bam. I'm now in the shadow realm.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Domain expansion: Cathedral!

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

He also enjoyed his choking fetish 2 seconds later.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

TBF he just wanted his version of a fascist regime and not his Boss’s.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago

Chad move

[–] Eh_I@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

When keeping it real goes wrong.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

When the Atheists starts proselytizing but it backfires

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

such a G?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Original Gangster

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

thanks

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The O is silent. Also Invisible.

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Much like my girlfriend's O face.

Because she doesn't exist

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but he was wrong. he was proven a fool for not taking it seriously.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, the Force isn't why the Death Star had an improbable weakness, even if it's what let Luke time his shot. He was right about what he was saying at the time, and as it happens Vader's religion is bullshit because the Sith are wrong and the Force actively subverts them.

Probably would have been easier to not let them do Force stuff but Lucas (iirc) likened them to parasites/cancer (with an all consuming greed that will kill both the host and then themselves) on a living organism so fair enough. It's not like you can just will a tumor off you.

Tl;Dr they're both wrong because they're fascists, one just likes technology and the other likes space magic

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What's in his breast pockets? I'd really like to know.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Code cylinders. They're for securing Star wars weird retro future computery stuff

Sigh-Fi