He added about Kirk, “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
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The media is clearly just corrupt and nothing but a propaganda piece if him saying that is sack worthy. That’s just a well informed statement
It's well informed while being the mildest take imaginable. Doesn't condone violence, doesn't do a victory lap, just ever so gently connects one dot to another.
I would sack someone for using the phrase 'sort of' that often though.
Yeah it was all a very mild and true take. I do agree about the over use of “sort of” as well. Yikes, I realize now it’s really a lot after you pointed that out.
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THAT getting him fired so immediately is all the proof anyone should ever need to never trust commentators from MSNBC again.
Never use any nbc. They may position themselves as Democrats, but they are the Democrats that have led us to nominate three awful presidential candidates that have allowed this Republican party to achieve what might now be absolute power soon. They've made no secret of their plans to kill the Republican all but name and we still refused to nominate candidates that could save the Republic and stop them.
This media is the enemy and has been, even if somewhat separate from the enemy controlling the federal government.
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Hilarious that someone putting the truth out there gets canned.
It's incredible that the fellow got fired over such a truthful and insightful comment.
I was in the US in my late teens, and one thing I realized almost straight away was how shallow American polemics about any socio-political topics were. American "free speech" polemics (among all other polemics) to me seemed like an attempt to act out and engage in theatrics that had nothing to do with the concept of free speech (which is actually an extremely complicated and nuanced topics).
There is a silver lining to this, I think at least some people (on the margin) might stop treating local polemics as undeniable truth.
MSNBC are just deferring to The Idiot.
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He didn't say anything untrue. Charlie Kirk himself said that gun violence is an acceptable consequence of maintaining everyone's 2nd amendment rights. This is the environment he advocated for. This is what killed him.
We live in a society where truth doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. You know they will spin this in such a way that they actually gain from it, be it by limiting your rights further or by lying to impressionable idiots who then vote for them.
Regardless, objective truth as a marker has lost all its relevance somewhere after 2016.
No we live in a society where the truth is actively suppressed because wealthy people fear the population realizing they are badly losing a class war due to being tricked into a culture war. Kirk was a culture warrior. Any sort of consensus amongst the various factions is very bad for the owner class, and what he said might lead to an awakening, a la Luigi. What Dowd said risks that awakening.
“He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
Was he wrong?
No but he wasn't let go because of that remark.
He was let go for this
“We don’t know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration. So we have no idea about this.”
That's what kicked of the uproar by snowflake Republicans and their Pearl clutching.
I mean it's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. He should get flack for how patentedly stupid that comment was. But probably not fired.
I completely agree. But I'm not a billionaire running a cable "news" outlet that can't let a single dollar go away.
Jesus christ that man is a great comedian.
Corporate media has always been complicit.
What the fuck. He was asked about the environment we're in and he said he always believed that hateful thoughts lead to hate words which lead to hateful actions. So we can't be surprised that when we have hate thought and hateful words that we see hateful actions.
How did he condone political violence?!? He just answered the fucking question!
I want you to know they can’t see that, the supporters of Kirk and his kind. They see some weird golden reality where a father and man of God was assassinated by the left.
To them he was a Guardian of society and tradition, giving his time up to connect with the youth in honest discussion.
They for whatever reason cannot see it as him being hateful, to them their golden boy died. Or at least that’s what they will pretend to believe.
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We really gotta stop appeasing the fascists.
Unfortunately, the fascists own the media.
The other factions of fascists own this media, the repub partisan fascists are taking over the long game of big biz to kill the republic in all but name.
He was right and lost his job over it
Not unusual in this timeline. Check the news about the head of the Department of Labor Statistics.
Let us all come together and condemn violence of any kind.
Oh, get fucked dude.
Saying this as groups are forcibly rounded up by masked police, and a police state is being created in DC, among other increasing intolerance and hate.
I mean clearly, multiple right wing commentators and leaders that are literally calling for the murder of anyone on the left is not a problem at all.
I actually developed a bit of respect for Chuckles after this event. He died for his beliefs. Wish more Republicans would.
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Proof the media is corrupt and owned by the evil empire
The large media companies are owned by broad commercial interests and indeed the enemy of working people however they try to position themselves, but the other Factor at play here is the right is trying to subordinate them further and accuses them of bias at every opportunity and they cave to the pressure. Not the least as they can step on their other myriad commercial interests for not caving as we saw with Colbert recently.
Caving to the pressure it will only make it worse though.
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Wronful dismissal lawsuit bud; make them regret their move!
You're of course right, but he already folded and apologized before they fired him.
Unless he can PROVE (what we all know) that the apology was a coerced lie, he probably doesn't have a case, sadly.
Meanwhile, every instance of something horrifying happening to a Democrat is featured on Fox News with Tucker Carlson squinting angrily into the camera saying it was all their fault, and he hopes it happens again.
I mean it is valuable, I guess, to maintain some standards of non violence even when "they" are not. I'm just saying the double standard is relevant.
Political analyst Matthew Dowd on MSNBC wonders whether the Charlie Kirk shooting may have been “a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration.”
Well... holy shit man. You can't say that on TV, even about a bad person.
We don’t know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration.
I’m cracking up
Streisand effect time? Gonna follow this person now.
Meanwhile every right-wing commentator on every right wing media outlet is calling for blood and wants to murder and incarcerate anyone just to the left of the Kaiser.
Fuck all network news. They're all billionaires bullshit.
The comment about the supporter shooting the gun in celebration was slightly inappropriate. Everything else is spot on.
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