If there can be a catchy way to make it happen, maybe "Uses a terrible source" could be paired with "Uses a source terribly." The thing where they cite a real source while insisting it says the opposite of what it says is really notable when it happens.
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=natopedia&type=Comments&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=New&titleOnly=false
Having an objective source of truth undoes their way of doing things, so they have to dismiss anything from Wikipedia out of hand. As is tradition, their way of doing that is to assign it an insulting nickname so that anyone who brings it up is subject to bullying.
No, you're a Zionist front. And you're transphobic.
Other suggestions:
- Before we talk you have to watch this YouTube video
- You're a transphobe!
- "already been debunked"
- You just hate leftism!
- "NATOpedia"
- Bad sourcing (in particular citing a source that says the opposite of what they say it says)
- Ignoring inconvenient questions
- Controlling the conversation (ex. insisting that a counterpoint is "not what we're talking about" so refusing to address it)
- Changing the subject
Like it’s such a weird comment.
Taken factually, yes. It's not meant factually. It's meant tribally, to tag someone as "enemy" by assigning something irredeemable to them and marking them as a hated enemy in the eyes of the group. That's why the tags are always the same, and have nothing to do with anything the person actually said or did.
But why should we give Tankies liberal fairness when they despise liberalism?
Because it's an important way that people who are confused by that tribalism can get un-confused. There is a strong impulse to "fight back" against the "enemies" or dunk on them, which I'm guilty of plenty of times, but also, I do think that being normal and reasonable with people helps to defuse that "all your enemies are Zionist neoliberal CIA NATO Hakeem Jeffries supporters" propaganda.
A big part of the .ml echo chamber is really emphasizing to each other what their opponents believe, so they won't have a chance to hear what the actual "enemy" point of view is and they won't believe it when they hear it. I think that is such an important part of the propaganda specifically because if they get to hear what the actual viewpoint is, it makes a lot more sense and undoes that "they are horrible and enemies on purpose because they hate you" worldview.
A lot of the "deprogramming" that you hear about from tribal identity comes from direct personal interaction with the enemies, and realizing that they are just people with sort of reasonable ways of looking at things. That's not what they were raised to believe about the enemies, it can be powerful to undo it.
Me? Transphobic? You seem to have the wrong guy pal
It's part of their MO. Anyone who disagrees with them in any way is (a) Zionist and (b) transphobic.
It is part of why they stake out these absolutely wild positions (we need to not call out Dragonrider for trolling / Hamas didn't rape anybody on October 7th), to bait people into disagreeing with them from the "wrong side," and then they can get all scream-y about the accusation and have something real to point to that actually sort of vaguely looks like they have a point. Then, they take that little grain of sand and spin it up into a world-spanning pearl where the whole of MOG is Zionist and transphobic. It actually works pretty well.
I literally picked up one of the oldest of the old school oscilloscopes from a clearing-out-the-lab table and had it in my closet for years. Never did a thing with it. But it's an oscilloscope! Badass.
Read the link. Pretty much every example where FDTD was used as a guidebook, the ruling regime had even more of an open violence policy even than the modern US (although, we're catching up fast).
The idea that the secret police might be shooting people in the streets or throwing them in prison for trying to change the system isn't new for fascist systems or a sudden and unique problem we're facing.
Oh... it honestly didn't even occur to me that anyone might be using "Nazi bar" in any sense other than talking about dbzer0 here, simply because that is precisely what is happening to them which it sounds like db0 is realizing.
My bad. Cowbee is out of his damn mind although I guess that's not new. I honestly don't even know what he's trying to get at there, I guess it could be some kind of Karl Rove tactic where they simply pick things they've been accused of and repeat the accusation back at the accusers without it really needing to make any sense. But regardless, it's still relevant that "Nazi Bar" has nothing to do with literal Nazis. They don't need to be accusing MOG of being Nazis for the analogy to hold (although like I say I have absolutely no idea what the logic would be under which it would).
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Cop Group Alleges “Discrimination” by Prosecutor for Being Too Nice to Immigrants
(theintercept.com)
A pro-police group is reportedly planning to ask the Department of Justice to investigate an elected prosecutor over allegations that he’s been lenient toward undocumented immigrants.
The Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, a nonprofit best known for backing police facing legal consequences for their actions, plans to ask the federal government to use a provision previously used to probe police violations of civil rights to investigate the office of Fairfax County, Virginia, Commonwealth’s Attorney Steve Descano over his handling of cases involving undocumented immigrants, Fox News reported.
“This kind of legal warfare erodes trust in our justice system.”
The Trump administration recently put Descano in the spotlight when it attacked his office over claims that he dropped charges against a 23-year-old undocumented immigrant who was accused of killing a man the next day. Trump’s Department of Homeland Security has also blamed former President Joe Biden’s administration for dismissing the man’s immigration proceedings and labeling him as “a non-enforcement priority.”
The Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund is invoking the same provision of federal law that the Biden administration previously used to investigate police in Louisville, Kentucky, after they killed Breonna Taylor in 2020. The law calls for policing to abide by the Constitution and establishes procedures for when police display a “pattern or practice of conduct” that violates civil rights.
Now, the pro-police group wants to argue that prosecutors like Descano are discriminating against the public by favoring undocumented immigrants in prosecutorial decisions. The Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund is effectively arguing that a pattern of leniency toward immigrants by Descano constitutes discrimination against American citizens.
“The MO of MAGA groups like LELDF is to partner with the Trump Administration to weaponize the justice system and go after people they don’t like — in this case, reform prosecutors they disagree with philosophically,” said Michael Collins, an independent consultant who works on prosecutorial reform.
“Laws designed to protect people’s rights and curb official misconduct shouldn’t be repurposed to target officials over policy differences or prosecutorial discretion,” Collins said. “This kind of legal warfare erodes trust in our justice system and undermines the very protections these laws were meant to uphold.”
Neither Descano nor the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund immediately responded to a request for comment.
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The Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund has made attacking elected prosecutors a cornerstone of its work in recent years. This year, the group released a report focusing on the Wren Collective, an organization that works with progressive prosecutors around the country, and claimed that left-wing donors like George Soros are controlling the group and corrupting the criminal justice system.
In Virginia, the group has been trying to remove Descano and another elected prosecutor in Arlington County, Parisa Dehghani-Tafti, since shortly after they first won office, though so far the police group has gotten little traction.
Descano has faced two efforts to launch recall elections against him, both organized by groups headed by Sean Kennedy, who directs policy for the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund and leads another group, Virginians for Safe Communities, which tried to launch a recall against Descano in 2021.
The LELDF spends about three-quarters of its program service budget on public and media relations, according to its most recent tax filing. About a quarter of its program service expenses goes toward legal defense for cops.
Republicans have also made Descano a target. Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares has repeatedly attacked Descano’s office for turning the county “into a safe haven for criminals and a nightmare for law-abiding families” and his handling of cases involving transgender defendants.
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It's not just about the person you're talking to, though. For every comment, about 99% of the people reading it will be different from the person who you're "officially" talking to.