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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45730883

With more than 80,000 AI-powered cameras across the U.S., Flock Safety has become one of cops’ go-to surveillance tools and a $7.5 billion business. Now CEO Garrett Langley has both police tech giant Axon and Chinese drone maker DJI in his sights on the way to his noble (if Sisyphean) goal: Preventing all crime in the U.S.

In a windowless room inside Atlanta’s Dunwoody police department, Lieutenant Tim Fecht hits a button and an insectile DJI drone rises silently from the station rooftop. It already has its coordinates: a local mall where a 911 call has alerted the cops to a male shoplifter. From high above the complex, Fecht zooms in on a man checking his phone, then examines a group of people waiting for a train. They’re all hundreds of yards away, but crystal clear on the room-dominating display inside the department’s crime center, a classroom-sized space with walls covered in monitors flashing real- time crime data—surveillance and license plate reader camera feeds, gunshot detection reports, digital maps showing the location of cop cars across the city. As more 911 calls come in, AI transcribes them on another screen. Fecht can access any of it with a few clicks.

Twenty minutes down the road from Dunwoody, in an office where Flock Safety’s cameras and gunshot detectors are arrayed like museum pieces, 38-year-old CEO and cofoun­der Garrett Langley presides over the $300 million (estimated 2024 sales) company responsible for it all. Since its founding in 2017, Flock, which was valued at $7.5 billion in its most recent funding round, has quietly built a network of more than 80,000 cameras pointed at highways, thoroughfares and parking lots across the U.S. They record not just the license plate numbers of the cars that pass them, but their make and distinctive features—broken windows, dings, bumper stickers. Langley estimates its cameras help solve 1 million crimes a year. Soon they’ll help solve even more. In August, Flock’s cameras will take to the skies mounted on its own “made in Amer­ica” drones. Produced at a factory the company opened earlier this year near its Atlanta offices, they’ll add a new dimension to Flock’s business and aim to challenge Chinese drone giant DJI’s dominance.

Langley offers a prediction: In less than 10 years, Flock’s cameras, airborne and fixed, will eradicate almost all crime in the U.S. (He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.) It sounds like a pipe dream from another AI-can-solve- everything tech bro, but Langley, in the face of a wave of opposition from privacy advocates and Flock’s archrival, the $2.1 billion (2024 revenue) police tech giant Axon Enterprise, is a true believer. He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how they intend to tackle white collar crime.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 days ago

No such thing, clearly

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 13 points 2 days ago

Flock routinely buys leaked personal data off the darkweb. They also have a highly insecure network and a ton of false positives. They need to banned and their CEO jailed with all his assets confiscated and/or frozen.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

They don't "think" that. That's just the excuse to a totalitarian regime within a police state.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If CCTV camera feed didn't stop all crime, AI won't be able to stop it either. Crime is inevitable and people will do it, regardless of whether they're on camera or not, or whether they're being monitored.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We need to start badgering our local politicians to remove this shit. This is one area where local action could feasibly make a big difference. If a few towns start becoming "flock dark zones" then the network, and value prop of the company, as a whole loses efficacy.

Also, I suspect there would be bipartisan support for this among the people.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

By eliminating all free people, yes you can technically do that.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 2 days ago

Ah yes... Pre-crime... Just like all those utopian sci-fi novels.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Starting with the rich?

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

uk has cameras on every street corner and there's still crime.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Yes but this is a "predictive policing algorithm" designed to incarcerate people before they've even committed a crime.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Haven't there been countless sci-fi movies and novels warning us about the many ways this approach can go horribly wrong?

[–] Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m convinced the people creating these surveillance companies want to harm society on purpose. I think they are well aware of what they are trying to do

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's much simpler than that. I think he just wants to make money and sees an opportunity to enrich himself. These people don't have a sense of morality, only a "fuck you, got mine" basic American individualism

[–] Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

yeah, it could be that simple

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would put less credit to SciFi movies and more interest in cities that have gone all in on CCTV cameras as crime prevention. They rarely work, as folks desperate enough to commit regular street crime simply aren't deterred. Combine that with the Candy Crush style of modern policing, particularly in dense areas like the NYC Subway or London city center, where the (relatively infrequent) crimes can happen within spitting distance of an officer and they'll just stand around doing nothing in response.

What these enormous surveillance technology budgets mostly do is soak up money from paranoid business owners and politicians looking for a kickback. They're a great source of patronage and a regular font of policing propaganda. And that's really what they're selling - security theater.

Just like with the TSA or the modern iteration of Mall Cops, they function more as a CYA move that lets you become seen as "doing something" (while fattening the wallets of a few insiders) in case of an unpredictable eventually. Now you can claim "We did everything we could" and "We're going to find this person and really get'm!" So long as you keep the right people on your side, that's normally enough to satisfy.

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[–] jhoward@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 days ago

Sounds like a flock of shit to me.

[–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The only way you could actually come close to eliminating all crime would be if you eliminated poverty. But that would make the rich less rich, so not gonna happen.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or if you just kept everyone in a closely monitored prison so that only people above the law could commit crimes without fear of consequences.

Like in China there isn't really much of an issue with petty theft anymore bc people are afraid of getting caught, but corruption is through the fucking roof. Just not a crime you would be punished for bc it requires a position of power to commit it in the first place

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yup, just like how wage theft is an order of magnitude or two bigger problem than petty theft and shoplifting, but they just ignore it or even worse legalize / normalize it.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago

Rich people murder each other too

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Before reading anything else, I'm going all in on this only mentioning violent or public crimes and ignoring financial or corporate crimes

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 days ago

Cameras + Drones + AI. Yup, nothing to solve the real crimes.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 127 points 4 days ago (1 children)

glances at white house

might wana start with that... 👀

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

34x convicted but not sentenced criminal in there.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 115 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Thinks it can ~~eliminate all crime in America~~ make a shit load of money

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No people, no crimes. Should I be concerned?

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’re going to build a society in which all basic needs such as access to food, water, education, housing, and health care are provided to all people making the need for most crime unnecessary???

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

That would actually be cheaper than what they're trying to do.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 31 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Americans when you talk about gun control: NOOO mah freedom, I need it to protect myself from the government.

Americans when you tell them a private company is going to monitor and track every citizen, basically making a dystopian police state: I have nothing to hide so it's fine.

I feel Europe is basically the other way around, less guns, but more privacy.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Pffft. I would argue that the EU is about to get way worse then the US for privacy. Additionally, the UK is basically a branch of North Korea now, and Australia is basically China with less yellow people (and not even by much).

But in my Banana Republic, we have about 2,000 cameras, only around 30 work, and most of those are covered by branches because the cities don't give a flying fuck about landscaping.

This world just keep getting funnier by the minute.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I was going to say have you looked at the shit the U.K. is doing lately, but sometimes I forget they voted their way into authoritarianism

I will say though, I'm very surprised there have been so many local governments within Europe that seem to be allowing this kind of shit.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-expands-use-of-palantir-surveillance-software/a-73497117

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[–] xcel@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't be so sure about the privacy part. Sure Europe so far seems to have had a privacy first policy, but that's about to change in the coming days https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

eu is trying to turn into surveillance state too. There is some group that is CONSTANTLY pushing this chat control law, that would make encryption illegal, if i have understood it correctly. They have been held back for now, but they can just keep trying until they succeed.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago
[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 3 days ago

Oh look, it's the main villain in a Cyberpunk novel.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 70 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is just an ad for obvious bullshit. Forbes may as well be running articles about how ozempic is done because of this one weird trick a local veteran discovered.

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[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This feels like fanfiction where one of the hardy boys goes to the extreme to solve crimes by creating a dystopian future.

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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

"They want to build a prison" "They want to build a prison" "Another prison system" "Another prison system" "For you and me to live in"

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 38 points 3 days ago

I'll believe it when they catch a McDonald's manager shorting his employees' wages.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So they're gunna use AI to find ways to better fund public education and harm reduction programs to keep people out of prisons while eliminating the pretext for hyper-militarized policing forces? Right?

...Right?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 36 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Before we try to manage the entire population at large, let's just eliminate crime in prisons and jails. That's a controlled environment, but it's rife with crime. If we can't fix a controlled environment, how can we possibly fix an open environment?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 days ago

They don't want to fix it, they want power intended to help fix it, similar to what prison guards have, outside of prisons.

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

This company has illegally installed their cameras in more than one town, then tried to sell the local police force on them.

They have lawyers on staff that they use to coach local politicians on how to hold the votes to establish contracts with them in ways that aren't technically illegal, but ensure that no community opposition has a way to have their voices heard.

You can find a lot of these sprts of stories by searching online. In local subreddits, ones dedicated to talking about flock, and local news.


Benn Jordan has a good 40 minute video giving an overview of these systems, how they work, what they track, and why they are a problem. He highlights some cases where families were held at gunpoint by police due to failures of these systems. He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.


Louis Rossman is currently leading a campaign against their installation where he lives in Austin, Texas right now. Has a number of videos on it.

Overview before the Austin City Council vote: https://youtu.be/4RM09nKczVs

Call for people to show up at the Austin City Council session to discuss the potential contract with Flock, and showing how difficult it is to find this sort of stuff and be involved with your local government: https://youtu.be/g4vL1ERdZ9Y

Call to action 2: https://youtu.be/hDOmYqlwxD4

Austin City Council reschedules the vote (in a questionably illegal fashion) with less than 24 hours notice when they realize they kicked the hornet's nest: https://youtu.be/iscDYp6dtl8

Minor followup during the wait for the revised time, at two of the three parks with 90% of reported car break ins these cameras are meant to deter: https://youtu.be/2QbtDWrlPpc

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[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (6 children)

there's a lot of mid-century French theorists spinning in their graves right now

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 3 days ago

Are they going to place cameras in the white house? Because that would be a start.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 days ago

This company needs to get shut down. Invasive. Illegal. Immoral. They are ushering in a police state and anti privacy world, and of course profiting from it.

You can piss on us, but don't tell us it's rain.

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