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Peripheral neuropathy is not caused by high glucose alone, but by the combined effects of hyperglycemia, insulin resistance, and glycemic variability. Protecting nerves requires improving insulin sensitivity and reducing glucose swings—not just lowering A1C.

summerizerCore thesis

  • Neuropathy is not just a blood sugar problem; lowering glucose alone does not fully save the nerve.
  • In type 1 diabetes, intensive glycemic control can prevent neuropathy very effectively, but in type 2 diabetes the same glucose-focused move leaves much of the problem untouched.
  • The nerve is hit by three forces at once: hyperglycemia, insulin resistance, and glycemic variability.
  • Together, those forces make neuropathy a metabolic failure of nerve fuel handling, repair signaling, and oxidative injury.

Peripheral neuropathy basics

  • Peripheral neuropathy is damage to nerves outside the brain and spinal cord.
  • Motor fibers drive muscle action, sensory fibers carry information from skin, joints, and organs, and autonomic fibers regulate heart rate, blood pressure, gut motility, and sweating.
  • The common metabolic pattern is distal symmetric polyneuropathy, a length-dependent process where the longest nerves fail first.
  • Symptoms usually begin in toes and feet, move up the legs, and later reach the fingertips.
  • Numbness, tingling, burning pain, or loss of vibration sensation comes from small nerve endings that retract and die.
  • Skin biopsy can show fewer small nerve endings, and nerve-conduction testing can show slower signals.
  • Cardiovascular autonomic neuropathy affects heart and blood-pressure nerves, and small-fiber neuropathy may be an early manifestation.
  • Diabetic peripheral neuropathy is very common, drives foot ulcers and non-traumatic lower-limb amputations, and can show up before formal diabetes.

Pillar 1 -- Hyperglycemia

  • Peripheral neurons and Schwann cells take up glucose through insulin-independent transporters, so high blood glucose floods the nerve without an effective shutoff.
  • Excess intracellular glucose pushes the sorbitol pathway: aldose reductase converts glucose to sorbitol.
  • Sorbitol stays inside the cell, pulls in water, creates osmotic stress, and forces the nerve to export useful small molecules.
  • Myo-inositol loss weakens sodium-potassium pump function, which slows the electrical signal.
  • Aldose reductase consumes NADPH, leaving less NADPH to regenerate active glutathione and defend against free radicals.
  • High glucose also glycates proteins and lipids without enzyme control, creating advanced glycation end products over months and years.
  • AGEs damage long-lived nerve proteins, myelin, cytoskeleton, and the basement membrane of tiny vessels feeding the nerve.
  • AGE binding to RAGE triggers inflammatory signaling in nerve-support tissue and blood vessels.

Pillar 2 -- Insulin resistance

  • In type 2 diabetes, hyperglycemia is usually downstream of insulin resistance, and insulin resistance injures nerves partly apart from glucose.
  • In type 1 diabetes cohorts, neuropathy risk tracks with modifiable cardiovascular and metabolic-syndrome factors such as triglycerides, BMI, smoking, and hypertension.
  • In type 2 diabetes and obesity, human studies connect neuropathy with metabolic syndrome components independent of glycemic status.
  • Lifestyle intervention in impaired-glucose-tolerance neuropathy produced measurable cutaneous reinnervation after one year.
  • Physiological insulin is a trophic signal for peripheral neurons and Schwann cells.
  • Schwann cells make myelin and support axons; insulin and IGF-1 receptor signaling help them make the lipids needed for myelin.
  • When insulin and IGF-1 receptors were deleted specifically in mouse Schwann cells, fatty-acid and cholesterol synthesis dropped and sensory neuropathy developed despite normal glucose.
  • In insulin resistance, the Schwann cell loses effective insulin signaling while chronic hyperinsulinemia and lipotoxicity promote harmful lipid accumulation.
  • The nerve can therefore be deprived of repair, remyelination, and Schwann-cell support even when glucose is normal or only intermittently high.

Pillar 3 -- Glycemic variability

  • A1C is a one-dimensional average of a dynamic glucose signal.
  • Two people can share an A1C of 7%, while one stays near 100-140 mg/dL and another swings between about 60 and over 200 mg/dL.
  • The swings matter because intermittent hyperglycemia can drive more endothelial oxidative stress than a steadier glucose exposure with the same average.
  • Each upward excursion is another hit on the NADPH-superoxide system, without enough time for the nerve to adapt.
  • CGM studies now make those swings visible.
  • In type 2 diabetes with A1C below 7%, higher mean amplitude of glycemic excursions was an independent predictor of diabetic peripheral neuropathy.
  • Nerve-conduction work also linked higher MAGE with reduced compound nerve action potential amplitude.
  • Long-term HbA1c variability and fasting-plasma-glucose variability were also linked with diabetic peripheral neuropathy and painful diabetic peripheral neuropathy.
  • Time in range and time in tight range may matter as much as average glucose for nerve protection.

Why the diabetes types diverge

  • In type 1 diabetes, exogenous insulin can address average glucose and modern tools can reduce variability, while underlying insulin resistance is usually absent.
  • Intensive glycemic control therefore captures much of the neuropathy benefit in type 1 diabetes.
  • In type 2 diabetes, lowering A1C can leave insulin resistance and glycemic variability largely intact.
  • Prediabetes and metabolic syndrome can injure small fibers even when A1C is normal because insulin resistance and post-meal excursions are already active.

Practical model

  • The burning foot or tingling finger should not be reduced to "your sugar is too high."
  • The better model is three simultaneous attacks: hyperglycemia, loss of insulin signaling at Schwann cells, and glucose volatility.
  • You cannot out-A1C metabolic neuropathy.
  • The solution has to improve all three pillars: carbohydrate control, fasting protocols that stabilize glucose and improve insulin sensitivity, resistance exercise, and better sleep habits.

References

 

If you have nagging hypertension that you have been ignoring - be aware that a low carbohydrate diet is a highly effective way to address the underlying condition and resolve your hypertension.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/blood-pressure#lifestyle

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 7 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salo_(food)

Salted salo can be stored for a long time. It can be consumed without any preparation. For these reasons, it is often used as a food supply by shepherds, hunters, backpackers, and other travellers, and was issued to German and Hungarian soldiers as part of their rations during World War II

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Oh no! Mr Sausage is for entertainment purposes only. NOBODY SHOULD EVER EMULATE HIM. He is a walking warning to us all.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, but if you throw it in a backpack to hike, and its not winter... you might end up with a gooey mess.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

yeah, i'm going to buy it no matter what, but I've gotten my moneys worth already.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 18 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The main limitation is your input device, attach a keyboard and a monitor and you should be able to program on anything

 

Dr. Ben Bikman explores the misunderstood role of glucagon, insulin’s often-overlooked metabolic counterpart.

While insulin encourages fat storage and glucose uptake, glucagon signals the body to mobilize and burn stored energy. Contrary to popular belief, glucagon does not stimulate fat release from adipose tissue in humans. Instead, its fat-burning effects occur primarily in the liver, where it enhances fatty acid oxidation, ketone production, and energy expenditure.

Glucagon’s power lies in shifting the metabolic balance through the insulin-to-glucagon ratio—a key determinant of whether the body stores or burns fat. Ben also unpacks the liver's molecular response to glucagon, including activation of mitochondrial fat-burning enzymes and ketone formation. Human studies now confirm that glucagon increases liver fat oxidation, making it a valuable target in new weight-loss drugs.

summerizerGlucagon and the insulin-to-glucagon ratio Glucagon sits beside insulin as the key counter-hormone in fat-loss metabolism.

  • Insulin drives glucose uptake, fat storage, and energy storage.
  • Glucagon drives glycogen breakdown, liver fat oxidation, and ketone production.
  • The insulin-to-glucagon ratio determines whether metabolism moves toward storage after carbohydrate intake or energy release during fasting and low carbohydrate intake.
  • Type 2 diabetes disrupts this system when insulin and glucagon are both high, leaving the liver with a glucose-output signal while tissues are insulin resistant.

The adipose-tissue misconception The textbook idea that glucagon directly pulls fat out of human adipose tissue is incorrect for humans.

  • Rodent data made glucagon look like a direct adipose lipolysis hormone through hormone-sensitive lipase activation.
  • Human white fat has very low or undetectable glucagon receptor expression in mature adipocytes.
  • The 2001 microdialysis work found no local glycerol rise in abdominal fat even with glucagon raised three to fourfold.
  • The 2020 human-adipocyte work found low and variable receptor expression and meaningful lipolysis only at superphysiological glucagon levels.
  • The 2022 adipocyte-specific receptor knockout mouse work found no change in fasting-induced lipolysis or body composition.
  • Human fat loss is not glucagon yanking triglycerides directly out of fat cells.

The liver mechanism Glucagon's fat-burning work occurs in the liver, where glucagon receptors are abundant.

  • Glucagon activates adenylate cyclase, raises cyclic AMP, activates PKA, and inactivates acetyl-CoA carboxylase.
  • Inactivating acetyl-CoA carboxylase stops new fat synthesis and removes malonyl-CoA inhibition of CPT1.
  • CPT1 then moves more fatty acids into mitochondria for oxidation.
  • Glucagon also increases CPT1 transcription through CREB, expanding the liver's capacity to burn fat.
  • The Yale Nature work connects glucagon to intrahepatic lipolysis through INSP3R1, calcium release, and ATGL.
  • The 2024 Cell Metabolism human study shows glucagon infusion raising hepatic mitochondrial oxidation by about 50% in fatty liver disease.

Ketones and the insulin brake Glucagon-driven liver fat oxidation connects to ketone production when insulin is low.

  • During fasting, oxaloacetate is diverted toward gluconeogenesis, leaving acetyl-CoA to condense into acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate.
  • Liver-cell work supports glucagon as a driver of fatty acid oxidation and ketogenesis.
  • The 2020 mouse work shows ketone production can persist without glucagon signaling during fasting.
  • Low insulin is necessary; high insulin can overpower glucagon's fat-burning and ketone-producing effects.

Drug implications and lifestyle implications GLP-1 drugs, dual agonists, and triple agonists show why glucagon biology matters clinically.

  • Semaglutide can produce about 15% weight loss over a little more than a year, mainly through appetite suppression, slower gastric emptying, and glucose control.
  • A Boehringer Ingelheim dual GLP-1/glucagon agonist at 4.8 mg produced about 14.7% weight loss over 46 weeks and stronger liver-fat effects than GLP-1 alone.
  • In MASH/NASH, the same dual-agonist program is tied to 83% biopsy-based steatohepatitis resolution versus 18% on placebo and improved fibrosis scores.
  • Retatrutide adds GIP to GLP-1 and glucagon and produced nearly 24% weight loss at 48 weeks at the highest dose.
  • These drugs are not routine standalone weight-loss tools; their strongest role is low-dose craving control paired with a smart low-carbohydrate diet.
  • Reduced carbohydrate intake and fasting can improve glucagon signaling by shifting the ratio toward fuel release.

References

 

Dr. Benjamin Bikman earned his Ph.D. in Bioenergetics and was a postdoctoral fellow with the Duke-National University of Singapore in metabolic disorders. He is currently a professor of pathophysiology and a biomedical scientist at Brigham Young University in Utah.

Dr. Bikman's professional focus as a scientist and professor is to better understand chronic modern-day diseases, with a special emphasis on the origins and consequences of obesity and diabetes, with an increasing scrutiny of the pathogenicity of insulin and insulin resistance. He frequently publishes his research in peer-reviewed journals and presents at international science meetings.

summerizerOpening and metabolic problem

  • Ben Bikman is a biomedical scientist focused on metabolic disorders, and the talk covers GLP-1 drugs, their consequences, and their use.
  • The worldwide rise in overweight, obesity, and insulin resistance is the metabolic problem that makes GLP-1 drugs relevant.
  • Insulin resistance affects more than half of adults worldwide and contributes to many plagues of prosperity.

Fat-cell biology and weight loss

  • Fat mass expands through larger fat cells, more fat cells, or both; the usual human pattern is hypertrophy.
  • Hypertrophic fat cells become insulin resistant because they run out of room to keep storing fat under insulin.
  • Large fat cells also become hypoxic, pro-inflammatory, and leaky with free fatty acids, which drives whole-body insulin resistance.
  • Metabolic weight loss means shrinking fat cells by reducing energy and reducing insulin.
  • Carbohydrate control and structured fasting lower insulin and help shrink fat cells, while simple calorie cutting plus exercise increases hunger.

Why GLP-1 became a drug target

  • The gut is a major endocrine organ, and incretins are gut hormones tied to blood-glucose control.
  • Gastric bypass data make GLP-1 central because diabetes markers can improve within about one week before major fat loss.
  • GLP-1 slows intestinal movement, signals the brain to reduce hunger, stimulates fat-cell lipolysis, supports ketogenesis, and suppresses glucagon.
  • GLP-1-based glutide drugs began as anti-diabetic medications because glucagon suppression lowers blood glucose; weight loss was initially a modest side effect.

High-dose consequences

  • The weight-loss versions are higher-dose versions of diabetes drugs, so the intestines can be slowed too much.
  • Excess gut slowing can reach intestinal paralysis, and body-weight loss can include substantial lean mass along with fat mass.
  • After stopping a GLP-1 drug, weight often returns, while lost lean mass may not return as readily, leaving a higher body-fat percentage.
  • Real-world persistence is poor: US and UK type 2 diabetes data show roughly two-thirds to 70% discontinuation by 24 months.

Insulin, fat-cell number, and receptor pressure

  • The idea that GLP-1 drugs disprove insulin control of fat storage is inaccurate; whole-body studies show insulin secretion can fall during GLP-1 exposure after meals.
  • GLP-1 agonists may also move preadipocytes toward differentiation, which can mean smaller fat cells during active weight loss but more capacity for later fat regain.
  • Chronic GLP-1 receptor agonism can make receptors less responsive and may lower endogenous GLP-1 production.

Drug combinations and food-based GLP-1 release

  • The next wave of obesity drugs pairs GLP-1 action with other appetite signals such as amylin, while muscle-preservation drugs are being tested for lean-mass loss.
  • Endogenous GLP-1 can be increased with soluble fiber, yerba mate, allulose, protein, and natural fats.
  • Saturated and monounsaturated natural fats produced much stronger GLP-1 responses than refined seed oil in the fat-comparison data, and recent low-carbohydrate meal data showed about triple the GLP-1 response of a low-fat meal.

Practical stance

  • Lower-dose GLP-1 drugs were more favorable, but higher-dose use makes dose the key issue.
  • The best use is the lowest effective dose under clinician guidance, especially where severe carbohydrate addiction blocks dietary control.
  • Any GLP-1 use belongs with structured resistance exercise and nutrient priority: essential amino acids and essential fats come first, while essential carbohydrates do not exist.
  • When appetite is low, focus on fats and prioritize protein.

References [11:29] Remission of type 2 diabetes after gastric bypass and banding: mechanisms and 2 year outcomes — https://doi.org/10.1097/SLA.0b013e3181efc49a [13:49] Incretin Levels and Effect Are Markedly Enhanced 1 Month After Roux-en-Y Gastric Bypass Surgery in Obese Patients With Type 2 Diabetes — https://doi.org/10.2337/dc06-1549 [17:49] Impact of Semaglutide on Body Composition in Adults With Overweight or Obesity: Exploratory Analysis of the STEP 1 Study — https://doi.org/10.1210/jendso/bvab048.030 [18:37] Weight regain and cardiometabolic effects after withdrawal of semaglutide: The STEP 1 trial extension — https://doi.org/10.1111/dom.14725 [19:48] Real-World Adherence and Discontinuation of Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Receptor Agonists Therapy in Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus Patients in the United States — https://doi.org/10.2147/PPA.S277676 [19:48] Real-world weight change, adherence, and discontinuation among patients with type 2 diabetes initiating glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists in the UK — https://doi.org/10.1136/bmjdrc-2021-002517 [22:30] Normalization of Glucose Concentrations and Deceleration of Gastric Emptying after Solid Meals during Intravenous Glucagon-Like Peptide 1 in Patients with Type 2 Diabetes — https://doi.org/10.1210/jc.2003-030049 [25:03] GLP-1/GLP-1R Signaling in Regulation of Adipocyte Differentiation and Lipogenesis — https://doi.org/10.1159/000478872 [27:22] Chronic Exposure to GLP-1R Agonists Promotes Homologous GLP-1 Receptor Desensitization In Vitro but Does Not Attenuate GLP-1R-Dependent Glucose Homeostasis In Vivo — https://doi.org/10.2337/diabetes.53.suppl_3.S205 [27:49] Effect of the glucagon-like peptide-1 analogue liraglutide versus placebo treatment on circulating proglucagon-derived peptides that mediate improvements in body weight, insulin secretion and action: A randomized controlled trial — https://doi.org/10.1111/dom.14242 [28:47] Safety, tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and pharmacodynamics of concomitant administration of multiple doses of cagrilintide with semaglutide 2.4 mg for weight management: a randomised, controlled, phase 1b trial — https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)00845-X [30:33] Nutritional modulation of endogenous glucagon-like peptide-1 secretion: a review — https://doi.org/10.1186/s12986-016-0153-3 [30:37] Mate tea (Ilex paraguariensis) promotes satiety and body weight lowering in mice: involvement of glucagon-like peptide-1 — https://doi.org/10.1248/bpb.34.1849 [30:46] GLP-1 release and vagal afferent activation mediate the beneficial metabolic and chronotherapeutic effects of D-allulose — https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-017-02488-y [32:40] The Effect on Glucagon, Glucagon-Like Peptide-1, Total and Acyl-Ghrelin of Dietary Fats Ingested with and without Potato — https://doi.org/10.1210/jc.2009-2559

 

It's... not great best avoided.

Max German did a episode on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdWD25llTU

Mostly a problem for US consumers

Red countries ban/limit it, white countries allow it (even if they don't use it domestically - like australia)

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure how long you can store it, it's not pemmican with rendered suet. But for a hiking food it makes a bunch of sense, highly energy dense.

 

Perfect hiking food! Extremely energy dense.

As a delicate food - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SByTpVvRMoQ

Specifically for hiking - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rID8v4JZQ3M

Good source of energy, and vitamin d

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 16 hours ago

The biggest bit of drama they cover is the cwyes/saladino 'carb spiking' theory, and some high profile people leaving carnivore, if dairy is needed.

 

Dr Anthony Chaffee is an American trained doctor practicing in Australia. In this video we discuss the carnivore diet, animal based diet, keto diet, diets effect on cortisol, dairy in all forms, fermented foods, chicken & pork vs beef, falsely elevated A1c, gluconeogenesis, vitamin C, creatine supplementation, adding carbs back to a carnivore diet, vegetable seed oils, Vitamin B1 & B12 deficiencies, how to eat eggs properly and much more

summerizerOpening thesis

  • Ken Berry brings Anthony Chaffee on for a "state of carnivore" update and for correction of myths after recent controversy.
  • Berry sees carnivore as a powerful 90-day intervention for chronic issues such as type 2 diabetes, prediabetes, acne, PCOS, menstrual problems, perimenopause, and fatty liver.
  • Chaffee is an American physician in Western Australia using carnivore, ketogenic diets, and lifestyle to improve metabolic health and reduce medication reliance.

Recent carnivore reversals

  • Berry sees the new "add carbs back" wave as recycled high-carbohydrate, low-fat advice, not a discovery.
  • The old food-pyramid pattern is the diet Berry grew up with and the diet he links to his mother's diabetes after decades.
  • Berry and Chaffee connect some reversals to views, business incentives, and fear around cortisol, thyroid, or long-term carnivore anecdotes.
  • Chaffee says long-term ketogenic trials and meta-analyses do not show persistent hypercortisolism; early cortisol rises remain normal and later settle.
  • Berry suspects some hidden hypercortisol syndromes surface because keto/carnivore patients and doctors check more labs.
  • Berry and Chaffee reject rice, fruit, or starch as magic fixes for metabolic dysfunction; short-term feeling better does not prove long-term health benefit.

Dairy

  • Chaffee says adults probably need no dairy for optimal nutrition because mammals are normally weaned onto the adult diet.
  • Dairy contains valuable fats, minerals, and fat-soluble vitamins, including odd-chain fatty acids, but it also contains lactose, insulin signals, and caseomorphins.
  • Berry and Chaffee see dairy as useful where it prevents malnutrition, but unnecessary and often counterproductive when meat and animal fat already supply nutrients.
  • Berry thinks fermented dairy such as yogurt or kefir may be less inflammatory than milk because fermentation reduces lactose and alters proteins, but it still is not a daily adult requirement.

Plants and fermentation

  • Chaffee explains "plants are trying to kill you" through plant defense chemistry, not literal intent.
  • He learned this from a cancer-biology professor who taught that edible plants can still contain carcinogenic or harmful natural toxins.
  • The speakers name lectins, oxalates, tannins, phytates, saponins, cyanogenic glycosides, goitrogens, and other plant compounds as possible chronic irritants.
  • Beans, almonds, and kale serve as examples of plant foods whose toxic load can require soaking, boiling, fermentation, crossbreeding, or restriction.
  • Berry adds that domestication, cooking, soaking, sprouting, roasting, and fermentation reduce phytotoxins but do not remove all of them.
  • Fermented vegetables and dairy are less toxic versions of plant or dairy foods, not essential foods.

Microbiome and oral health

  • Berry and Chaffee think microbiome science is still too immature for confident probiotic testing, supplement targeting, or species manipulation.
  • Chaffee thinks a carnivore diet can change the oral microbiome and that saliva may help seed the gut microbiome during meals.
  • They connect carbohydrate-fed oral bacteria with cavities, gingivitis, plaques, and glioblastoma-related findings.
  • Berry says gingivitis and periodontitis often go into remission after 90 days of carnivore in the people he has seen.
  • They use oral health as a proxy for overall health: a natural diet should not rot teeth.

Meat choices and daily eating

  • Chaffee says all meat is beneficial, and people should eat the meat they enjoy, tolerate, and can afford.
  • Ruminant meat may work better for autoimmunity, but pork, chicken, fish, and other meats are acceptable when enough fat is included.
  • Chaffee usually eats beef, eggs, and fatty steaks once daily, adding a second meal when training raises appetite.
  • Berry's baseline is also beef and eggs daily, with occasional pork, chicken, fish, cod liver, or sardines.

Labs, lipids, and A1C

  • Berry asks about Robert Sikes's concern that some carnivores develop high triglycerides, high glucose, low HDL, inflammation, rising A1C, and cortisol issues.
  • Berry sees mild A1C elevation on carnivore as often false or misleading when fructosamine is normal, possibly because red blood cells live longer.
  • Chaffee has rarely seen high triglycerides, low HDL, and pattern-B LDL in strict patients, and in his examples stress and poor sleep were the shared factor.
  • The speakers do not chase lab numbers alone; they focus on the patient, symptoms, context, sleep, stress, exercise, and diet creep.
  • Chaffee says daily hard training can raise glucose transiently and move A1C upward without meaning pathology.

Fruit, honey, fructose, and fatty liver

  • Berry worries about high-fruit and high-honey animal-based diets because A1C and fructosamine measure glucose glycation, not fructose glycation.
  • Research in the exchange indicates fructose is much more glycating than glucose and may create long-term vascular damage even without high A1C.
  • Chaffee warns that adding fruit and honey can slide into broader carb intake and weight regain for some people.
  • Berry and Chaffee connect fructose to fatty liver through hepatic metabolism and cite Lustig's child fructose-restriction work.
  • Foie gras serves as a practical example that carbohydrate overfeeding can fatten the liver rapidly.
  • Berry and Chaffee reject the idea that eating fat causes fatty liver because dietary fat enters lymphatics before the bloodstream, not direct liver loading.

Protein, gluconeogenesis, creatine, and vitamin C

  • Chaffee says protein does not force harmful gluconeogenesis; glucose production is demand-driven and often comes from glycerol during fat breakdown.
  • Berry and Chaffee reject the fear that ketogenic or carnivore eating causes muscle loss, using old-school steak-and-eggs bodybuilding as a counterexample.
  • Berry gets about 6 g creatine daily from meat and questions whether carnivore eaters need creatine powder.
  • Chaffee thinks meat supplies enough creatine for ordinary muscle and brain needs, while high-dose creatine may have a role after concussion or TBI.
  • Chaffee says carbohydrate intake raises vitamin C need and competes with vitamin C handling, while meat supplies hydroxyproline and hydroxylysine for collagen.
  • Berry says low measured vitamin C on near-zero-carb carnivore does not necessarily equal functional scurvy when wound healing is rapid.

Deficiencies, thyroid medication, and eggs

  • Berry has seen rare thiamine deficiency in narrow beef-only carnivores, resolved by adding pork.
  • Chaffee usually sees vitamins and minerals rise, but he checks B12, folate, zinc, magnesium, and malabsorption patterns when progress stalls.
  • Chaffee found coffee timing could block thyroid medication absorption in many patients, requiring one to two hours before coffee.
  • Chaffee uses low B12 despite meat or liver intake as a clue for MTHFR issues, malabsorption, or pernicious anemia antibodies.
  • Berry and Chaffee see egg sensitivity as uncommon and often linked to egg whites; Berry thinks fertilized backyard eggs may be better tolerated.

Carbohydrates, anthropology, and diabetes history

  • Dietary carbohydrate is nonessential, and the National Academies/Institute of Medicine language gives zero as the lower limit with adequate protein and fat.
  • Chaffee says human insulin fits protein better than carbohydrate spikes because modern rapid insulin had to be engineered for glucose excursions.
  • Berry and Chaffee connect agricultural grains, sugar, and starch with dental decay, smaller bodies, smaller brains, and chronic disease after agriculture.
  • Chaffee says amylase gene expansion after agriculture means mass starch eating became common only recently in human history.
  • Berry and Chaffee say seed oils cannot be the only cause of metabolic disease because diabetes and carbohydrate restriction predate modern seed oils.
  • Chaffee cites Osler-era diabetes texts using near-zero carbohydrate, protein, and fat before insulin.

Fasting and cancer metabolism

  • Chaffee prefers intuitive feast-and-fast eating over deliberate food withholding when hungry.
  • He warns that fasting can backfire when people under-eat on feeding days and suppress metabolism.
  • He sees occasional 48-hour fasting as potentially useful for resetting hunger signals.
  • For cancer, fasting may lower glucose, raise ketones, reduce GKI, and reduce exogenous glutamine, but the glutamine piece remains unproven.
  • For most people, carnivore with hunger-based eating is enough; fasting is optional, not required.

References

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

This is an amazing game. Ive got 50 hours already in the demo.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 17 hours ago

Perfect health

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 17 hours ago

The lion diet is beef, salt, water.

The carnivore diet is zero carb diet.

The lion diet is a type of zero carb diet.

It isn't a proper homo sapien

Why do you believe that?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ask your doctor if diabulimia is right for you! While supplies last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabulimia

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

When you figure it out, let me know, I want a perfect body with no work too!

“I don’t know, I can just eat anything and I never gain weight”

If a type 1 diabetic doesn't dose insulin when they eat, they wont gain weight... This is super dangerous, but it is a demonstrated effect of insulin. So if you eat foods that don't spike insulin, you can eat as much of those as you like without gaining weight.

 

Mitochondrial uncoupling allows cells to burn fuel while releasing more of that energy as heat instead of capturing it as ATP. Insulin appears to make fat-cell mitochondria more efficient and storage-oriented, while low insulin and elevated ketones may push fat tissue toward greater energy waste and easier fat loss.

In this Metabolic Classroom episode, Dr. Bikman explains mitochondrial uncoupling, a process where cells burn fuel without converting all of that energy into usable ATP. Normally, mitochondria are “coupled,” meaning fuel burning is efficiently converted into cellular energy. But when mitochondria become uncoupled, some of that fuel is released as heat instead—like revving a car engine while it’s in park.

Ben explains that this process is especially important in fat tissue. White fat is designed for energy storage and tends to be tightly coupled, while brown fat is rich in mitochondria and uncoupling proteins that burn fuel to generate heat. He then connects this physiology to insulin, showing that insulin appears to make fat-cell mitochondria more tightly coupled and efficient, lowering energy expenditure and making storage easier.

The opposite happens when insulin is low and ketones rise. Research from Dr. Bikman’s lab shows that ketones, especially beta-hydroxybutyrate, can increase mitochondrial respiration in fat cells without a matching rise in ATP production—clear evidence of uncoupling. In human fat biopsies, elevated ketones were associated with markedly higher mitochondrial respiration, suggesting that ketosis can make fat tissue more wasteful with energy.

The larger takeaway is that calories still matter, but hormones influence how efficiently those calories are stored or burned. When insulin is high, the body stores energy efficiently. When insulin is low and ketones are elevated, fat-cell mitochondria may become more uncoupled, allowing more energy to be dissipated as heat rather than stored as fat.

summerizerCore thesis

  • The body can burn calories without turning them into usable energy.
  • Mitochondria normally convert fuel into ATP, and uncoupling lets some fuel energy leak away as heat.
  • Insulin makes mitochondria more efficient and helps the body store energy more easily.
  • Low insulin with rising ketones makes mitochondria more uncoupled, so more energy leaves as heat and less is stored as fat.
  • Calories matter, and hormones help determine what the body does with those calories.

Mitochondrial coupling and uncoupling

  • Mitochondria are like a car engine: fuel burning is the RPM, and ATP production is the useful forward motion.
  • Coupling means fuel burning is linked to useful work: oxygen use, proton-gradient pressure, and ATP production move together.
  • Uncoupling means fuel burning continues while useful ATP output lags; the energy exits as heat.
  • Uncoupling is not a failure; it is a built-in way to waste fuel as heat.

Fat tissue and heat

  • White fat is the familiar pinchable fat built for storage, with tightly coupled mitochondria that conserve energy.
  • Brown fat is packed with mitochondria and uncoupling protein, so its job is heat production.
  • Newborns use brown fat for warmth because they cannot shiver enough with muscle.
  • Adults retain brown fat, and cold exposure activates it.
  • Adults with more brown fat activity tend to resist weight gain and its metabolic consequences.

Measuring coupling

  • The lab measures oxygen consumption as the engine speed and ATP production as the useful output.
  • Tight coupling means oxygen use and ATP production rise together.
  • Uncoupling means oxygen use stays high or rises while ATP production fails to keep pace.

Historical diabetes clue

  • Benedict and Joslin studied severe diabetes before insulin therapy was available.
  • The patients had what is now type 1 diabetes without insulin therapy: essentially no endogenous insulin.
  • They burned energy about 15% to 20% above the level expected from body size.
  • They were losing weight rapidly despite excess calorie intake.
  • A 1984 study with better instruments found the same pattern in type 1 diabetes, with measured expenditure around 2,040 kcal/day versus a predicted 1,700 kcal/day.
  • Insulin injection lowered energy expenditure within minutes, back toward the predicted level.
  • Glucose lost in urine explains some wasted calories but cannot explain a higher measured metabolic rate.
  • The missing mechanism points to mitochondria, including mitochondria inside fat tissue.

Insulin in fat mitochondria

  • The lab raised insulin chronically in rodents for several weeks and examined mitochondria in fat.
  • High insulin lowered mitochondrial respiration and shifted mitochondria toward tighter coupling.
  • Brown fat became much more tightly coupled, subcutaneous fat became more coupled, and visceral fat shifted little because it was already largely coupled.
  • Chronic high insulin lowered whole-body energy expenditure in the animals.
  • Insulin is the body’s storage signal: it directs fat cells to take up and hold fuel, and it makes their mitochondria more frugal.
  • This mechanism helps explain why insulin therapy often brings weight gain in type 1 diabetes and can make weight gain easier in type 2 diabetes.

Ketones as the opposing signal

  • When insulin is low from fasting, carbohydrate restriction, or type 1 diabetes without insulin, the liver turns fat into ketones.
  • Beta-hydroxybutyrate is the dominant ketone and works as both fuel and signal.
  • The lab tested ketones in cultured fat cells, rodent fat tissue, and human fat biopsies.
  • Across all three systems, ketones made fat mitochondria respire faster.
  • Cultured fat cells burned roughly 90% more energy; rodent tissue rose even more; human subcutaneous fat from people in ketosis rose 128% higher than non-ketotic comparison tissue.
  • ATP did not rise in proportion, creating the signature of uncoupling.
  • Gene activity for uncoupling machinery also increased with beta-hydroxybutyrate.

White fat can beige

  • White fat is not locked into a permanently frugal identity.
  • Under the right signals, especially ketones, subcutaneous white fat can build more mitochondria and take on brown-fat traits.
  • This browning or beiging makes storage fat behave partly like heat-producing fat.
  • Type 1 diabetes without insulin therapy combines very low insulin with high ketones, so the old 15% to 20% rise in metabolic rate fits the ketone-uncoupling mechanism.

Obesity model

  • The calories-only model and the insulin-hormone model are two halves of the same mechanism.
  • Calories provide the fuel; hormones determine how efficiently that fuel is stored or wasted as heat.
  • High insulin keeps fat-cell mitochondria tightly coupled, so calories are stored efficiently.
  • Low insulin with elevated ketones makes the same mitochondria leakier, so more calories leave as heat.
  • The fat-cell mitochondrion is where energy balance and hormone signaling meet.

Practical meaning

  • A very low-carbohydrate diet can create a metabolic advantage because more total energy is burned at equal calories.
  • Controlled human feeding studies have found roughly 200 to 300 kcal/day greater energy expenditure on very low carbohydrate intake in one study.
  • That extra calories-out can be comparable to a substantial exercise session.
  • Early fasting can raise resting energy expenditure while insulin falls and ketones rise.
  • Some fasting-related expenditure comes from the nervous system and epinephrine, but the timing matches the fat-mitochondria pattern.

Closing point

  • The type of calories eaten shapes the hormone environment they enter.
  • Chronically high insulin makes the body file fuel away with high efficiency.
  • Low insulin with ketones shifts fat-cell mitochondria toward the wasteful end of the dial.
  • Weight loss becomes easier when carbohydrates are controlled, insulin stays low, and fat mitochondria can be frivolous with energy.

References

 

Mikhaila Peterson's unpublished TEDx talk on the carnivore diet.

After 8 years of strict lion, she has been able to tolerate some plant foods, and is now about 95% carnivore now.

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TEDx and the lion diet

  • Mikhaila Peterson gave a TEDx talk about how the lion diet, an all-meat diet, put her autoimmune disorder into remission after crippling arthritis and two joint replacements.
  • Mikhaila Peterson followed TEDx rules carefully because her diet story is anecdotal, and she ended by asking the medical system to study it further.
  • TEDx would not post Mikhaila Peterson's talk after four months of back-and-forth, while other vegan disease-cure talks stayed available under guidelines they did not apply to her case.
  • Harvard later published a carnivore-diet study about others who had disease remission, so this diet deserves serious medical attention.

Early arthritis and immune suppression

  • At age two, Mikhaila Peterson began walking with her feet turned out, and by grade two she had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis active in 37 joints.
  • She used methotrexate and naproxen, had cortisone injected into 17 joints, could not sit cross-legged, and used a fat pencil because she could not close her hand.
  • In grade four, Enbrel and methotrexate injections put her into a medically induced remission, and she went from nearly wheelchair-bound to playing sports.
  • At the same time, her mental health collapsed into OCD symptoms, suicidal thoughts, major depressive disorder, and possible bipolar type 2 with hypomania.

Fatigue, pain, and more medication

  • By grade eight, she had biting sensations over her body and chronic fatigue so severe that she could not wake up and fell asleep in class.
  • By grade eleven, arthritis destroyed the cartilage in her right hip, pain stopped her from sleeping, and she used OxyContin before a hip replacement at 17.
  • While she healed from the hip replacement, her body destroyed the cartilage in her left ankle, and she later had that ankle replaced.
  • At university, Wellbutrin led to a grand mal seizure, an SNRI made her intensely angry, fatigue made her miss final exams, and she dropped out.

Rash and the search for diet triggers

  • After returning home, a rash spread from her back and bum to her face, and dermatologists gave no useful answer.
  • She was using Tylenol 3 for shoulder pain, 40 mg of Adderall to wake up, dapsone for skin healing, 40 mg of escitalopram for depression, an inhaler for infections, and a prescription antihistamine for severe allergies.
  • She found dermatitis herpetiformis, the skin manifestation of celiac disease, and cut gluten because celiac disease can be triggered by gluten.
  • She stopped immune suppressants, monitored symptoms closely, and kept searching because gluten removal was not enough.

Meat, greens, and the first remission

  • In September 2015, she reduced her diet to meat, greens, and some root vegetables while removing foods she thought could cause inflammation.
  • That month her skin healed for the first time in years, and she lost three pant sizes of bloating she had not known was there.
  • Two months in, her fatigue disappeared for the first time since grade eight, and she stopped taking Adderall.
  • Three months in, her depression disappeared for the first time in her life, and she stopped escitalopram over two weeks without knowing SSRI withdrawal existed.

Food reactions and withdrawal

  • After reintroducing soy, she had a severe autoimmune response: digestive upset, full-body itching, depression worse than ever, mouth ulcers, arthritis, and rash.
  • Around the same time, SSRI withdrawal mixed with autoimmune symptoms and food sensitivities, and each food reintroduction caused reactions that lasted 24 days.
  • She eventually stopped reintroducing foods, became pregnant, and later returned to meat and greens to control symptoms.
  • While breastfeeding, her wrist buckled, arthritis returned, she was itchy everywhere, and the earlier diet no longer worked.

Beef, lamb, salt, and water

  • She cut out everything except beef, and after two weeks the itching went away and her joints began to feel better.
  • Six weeks into the all-beef diet, her depression lifted and she stopped crying in the morning.
  • Five months later, her anxiety lifted, and she felt back in heaven compared with how she had been living.
  • The diet became beef, lamb, salt, and water, which she calls the lion diet.

Family results and medical attention

  • Her mother used the diet and her osteoarthritis went away; her father used it and lost 70 pounds, and his GERD and psoriasis went away.
  • She has heard from thousands of people with autoimmune disorders who tried similar diets and saw similar results.
  • She now runs a company, hosts a podcast, raises her child, and shares her experience so people can see what the diet does for her.
  • Sick people feel isolated and miserable, and what would be really cool is the medical community taking this seriously and doing case studies.

References

 

Anorexia nervosa has one of the highest mortality rates of any psychiatric illness, yet effective biological treatments remain limited. For many people living with the condition, even after successful weight normalization, persistent psychological symptoms, including obsessive thoughts about food, shape, and weight, continue to drive relapse.

In this conversation, Dr. Bret Scher sits down with Dr. Guido Frank, Professor of Psychiatry at UC San Diego with over 25 years of experience in eating disorder treatment, to discuss results from the first-ever clinical trial of ketogenic therapy in anorexia nervosa.

This 14-week supervised feasibility trial enrolled 22 individuals with weight-normalized anorexia nervosa.

summerizerKetogenic nutrition and anorexia nervosa

  • Ketogenic nutrition entered this work because anorexia nervosa remains severe, deadly, and biologically hard to move with current care.
  • Weight restoration is necessary, but it often leaves fears about eating, body shape, and weight intact or worse.
  • The unresolved clinical problem is the persistent drive for weight loss after weight normalization and the high relapse risk after intensive care.
  • Barbara Scolnick's niece's recovery with ketogenic nutrition and the later five-person pilot made this pathway worth testing.
  • The working model is that ketogenic metabolism can affect brain energy, anxiety, and eating-disorder thoughts, not simply body weight.

Trial design and monitoring

  • The trial enrolled 22 adults with prior underweight anorexia nervosa who were weight-normalized or mildly underweight at entry, and 18 completed.
  • The design used a two-week ketogenic induction followed by 12 weeks of maintained ketosis.
  • The diet target was 70% fat, 20% protein, and 10% carbohydrate, with blood ketones around 0.5 or higher.
  • Participants met weekly with a dietitian and weekly with Guido Frank to track ketones, labs, symptoms, food logistics, and safety.
  • The practical work included restaurants, family dynamics, friends, and the large mental shift from fear of fat to using fat deliberately.

Main results

  • The main measures covered eating-disorder symptoms, depression, and related questionnaire scores from study entry through study end.
  • Symptoms rose slightly early in weight concern because fat was the macronutrient most feared by many participants.
  • Over time, eating-disorder scores and depression scores steadily fell.
  • Study completers moved below the eating-disorder questionnaire cutoff, with the global score falling from about 4.1 to about 1.7.
  • Compared with partial-hospital data moving from about 4.08 to about 3.09 at discharge, this change was unusually large.
  • Seventy-two percent of completers had very large gains, with eating-disorder and depression scores in the normal range by the end.

Weight, safety, and non-response

  • Weight was stable across the study, and the BMI graph was essentially flat week by week.
  • A few participants entered near BMI 18, briefly dipped under the allowed boundary, added fats, and did not relapse.
  • No participant relapsed into anorexia nervosa during the study.
  • Five completers did not improve as strongly on eating-disorder thoughts and behaviors; two were flat and three improved modestly.
  • Depression still improved in those weaker eating-disorder responders.
  • Poor self-esteem emerged as the main hurdle for weaker response, so some patients need direct work on self-esteem and temperament as well.

Clinical experience and mechanism

  • Many participants gained liberation from the constant cage of food, fat, shape, and next-meal fear.
  • Participants had more mental space, more calm, more energy, and more ability to separate themselves from eating-disorder thoughts.
  • The energy idea matters because anxious, perfectionistic patients may feel out of control when stress drains usable brain energy.
  • Ketogenic nutrition may give a steadier energy source, reduce anxiety, and reduce the need to regain control through food restriction.
  • Caroline Beckwith's earlier experience fit this pattern because the intrusive eating-disorder thoughts and voices went away.
  • Some participants said they had their life back, which matters beyond a significant rating-scale change.

Controversy, implementation, and next studies

  • The main pushback is that restrictive diets are often viewed as unsafe in anorexia nervosa, especially because keto is publicly tied to weight loss.
  • Ketogenic nutrition is not automatically a weight-loss diet; in this trial it was weight-maintaining and supervised.
  • The "all food is good food" premise should be open to data and not accepted as automatic truth for every person.
  • Weight-normalized people with persistent shape, weight, and eating distress are the group with the clearest current fit.
  • Underweight patients need a safety-first path with close monitoring, frequent labs, and more data before broad use.
  • The next work includes PET brain-glucose studies before and after ketogenic nutrition, underweight recruitment, bulimia nervosa exploration, and randomized controlled trials.

References

 

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Feed the birds.

 

Clair shares her journey from a struggling student to a scientist specializing in longevity and the carnivore diet. She discusses her academic background, her research on Alzheimer's disease, and the importance of autophagy and mTOR in longevity. Clair also reflects on her transition from veganism to a carnivore diet, highlighting the significant improvements in her mental health and overall well-being. The discussion touches on the role of AI in biotech, the development of therapies for age-related diseases, and the impact of diet on female hormones. Clair emphasizes the importance of community and spirituality in enhancing mitochondrial health and concludes with a call to action for more people to adopt the carnivore lifestyle.

summerizerAcademic path

  • Clair grew up in Canada, entered biology at McGill, and won a full Oxford scholarship to study stem cell biology.
  • Clair wanted root-cause biology, so her PhD focused on stem cells that give rise to the human embryo.
  • Clair then moved toward clinical use, including infertility models in a dish and later environmental triggers for Alzheimer's disease.
  • In infertility work, mTOR, nutrient sensing, autophagy, and DNA remodeling mattered for making sperm and egg in a dish.
  • In Alzheimer's work, rats received common pesticides and developed Alzheimer's- or Parkinson's-like disease patterns, with vitamin D and the epigenome in view.

Autophagy, mTOR, and aging biology

  • Autophagy is cellular recycling: old proteins, fats, amino acids, mitochondria, and other damaged material can be broken down and reused.
  • Autophagy works better in youth, declines with age, and can be adjusted by diet and lifestyle.
  • High insulin lowers autophagy; low insulin during carnivore eating can allow more autophagy, while growth signals can still reduce it when needed.
  • mTOR senses growth factors such as protein, supports building, and interacts with autophagy.
  • AMPK, glucose pathways, mTOR, insulin, and autophagy sit at the center of longevity biology.

From vegan to carnivore

  • Clair spent about ten years vegan because the culture, marketing, and university environments made veganism attractive and easy.
  • Early benefits did not last; insomnia became the central problem, followed by depression, brain fog, and low energy.
  • Psychiatry at Oxford helped, but it did not fix the underlying physical condition.
  • Carnivore changed sleep first, moving Clair toward eight to ten hours and reducing anxiety, rumination, depression, and brain fog.
  • Better sleep and clearer thinking helped Clair become more productive and learn coding and engineering during biotechnology layoffs.

Longevity work and therapies

  • Longevity companies cannot make an FDA-approved drug for longevity itself, so they focus on diseases of aging.
  • The current therapeutic strategy targets pathways such as autophagy for Alzheimer's disease, not isolated mutations.
  • A secret drug program aims to enhance autophagy in the brain and pair it with keto metabolic therapy.
  • Drugs are not Clair's preference for herself, but devastating disease can require intervention when lifestyle alone is too slow.
  • Longevity work also targets inflammation, immune function in the body and brain, stem cells, and rejuvenation.

Female hormones and reproductive aging

  • Female hormone effects from carnivore are not well defined, but ovarian aging uses mechanisms similar to wider body aging.
  • Repair capacity, mTOR, and nutrient sensing matter for ovarian aging.
  • Carnivore and ketogenic patients of Ken Berry and Robert Kiltz becoming pregnant later in life point toward reproductive healthspan as a practical target.
  • Menopause came up as an evolutionary question, and diet change was linked in practice to fewer hot flushes, less irritability, and more calm.

Epigenome and rejuvenation

  • Rejuvenation technology uses the epigenome: DNA organization changes with age, and environmental inputs can shape that organization.
  • The genome accounts for about 20% of fate in Clair's explanation, while the environment works through the epigenome for much of the rest.
  • The 2012 Nobel Prize discovery showed adult cells can be turned into stem cells, and partial use of those factors aims to make old cells younger without making embryos.
  • David Sinclair's vision work and the related clinical direction make partial reprogramming relevant to blindness, hearing loss, arthritis, and other age-related problems.

Community, creativity, observed reality

  • Community helped Clair survive depression during vegan years, and the mitochondrial connection remains speculative.
  • Carnivore mental clarity helps Clair's creative work as a DJ and artist.
  • Academic environments were mostly skeptical of carnivore, but improved productivity and health made the results visible.
  • Colleagues who try carnivore often struggle when they eat too little fat, which can damage energy and hormones.
  • Animal and insect data are not the same as human use, so clinical observation from doctors and health coaches matters.
  • Real people improving kidney function, type 2 diabetes, blood pressure, and arthritis motivates work that helps now while therapies take years.
  • Longevity therapy aims to improve standard care by reducing inflammation and increasing autophagy, and carnivore works through overlapping mechanisms.

References

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