Jami talks about her journey on the carnivore diet.
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Why I changed course
- I spent many years in traditional cardiology, became vegan about 20 years ago after reading John Robbins's A Diet for a New America, and about 11 years ago changed my practice into a wellness practice using diet, lifestyle, and movement to reverse cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and other lifestyle diseases. [1]
- I was also a long-time marathon and ultramarathon runner, and after years of 50- and 100-mile events I began having low-glucose "bonking" episodes and mildly rising glucose; with diabetes and cardiovascular disease throughout my family, that concerned me.
- Andrew Koutnik and Tim Noakes had just published a paper on endurance fueling. I took from it that bonking and performance were tied more to maintaining blood glucose than to muscle glycogen depletion, that athletes did not need the customary amount of carbohydrate, and that the heavy-gel approach was not really based on science and may have been driven more by industry. [2]
- I tested that in a 50K by cutting carbohydrate to about 10-20 g/hour from roughly 300 calories/hour. I did not bonk, felt better than after prior races, and had no muscle soreness the next day; when I called Koutnik, he told me glucose is a toxin and creates a lot of inflammation.
- Pancakes and fruit after a run or rice, beans, and an apple at lunch had often left me exhausted. A CGM then showed large glucose spikes and made clear to me that I was prediabetic.
- I then looked more closely at long-term plant-based patients I had followed for 5-10 years. Even lean patients were developing insulin resistance and glucose intolerance, with gradually rising HbA1c and elevated insulin, and patients who consumed neither fish nor a supplement also had markedly low DHA.
- Once insulin resistance became the problem, keeping protein up while cutting carbohydrate was very difficult with whole plant foods because foods such as beans brought carbohydrate with the protein. I did not want to solve that with powders and supplements, so I moved from fish to eggs, bacon, beef, butter, and cheese; my aches and pains disappeared, my sleep became much better, and I felt very well.
- In May we told the practice that insulin resistance was too important to ignore and that we would support patients in whatever they chose. Many moved from plant-based eating toward low-carb, high-fat, keto, or carnivore diets, and I began seeing better sleep, less inflammation, and weight loss, including in people who had not been able to sustain calorie restriction when insulin was high.
- I had added fish around the beginning of the year and brought the other animal foods back starting May 1. I kept cutting my own carbohydrate from about 100 g to 50 g and then lower because I wanted to experience ketosis, and despite having loved fruit, I no longer wanted it once I felt better.
Diabetes, lipids, and cardiology
- From May to July, my total cholesterol rose from roughly 170-180 to 313 mg/dL and LDL from under 100 to 212, while HDL was 96 and triglycerides were in the high 30s. I saw myself as a lean-mass hyper-responder.
- Diabetes is the risk factor I have been running from my entire life. Looking back over my family and my cardiology patients since 1990, cholesterol did not pinpoint who had heart attacks for me, but every one of those people had glucose intolerance or diabetes, and the triglyceride-to-HDL ratio looked clear as day.
- That makes me more comfortable with particle size getting bigger and metabolic health improving even while LDL is high. Eating saturated fat was an enormous mental shift after a lifetime of low-fat eating, but I now use fat as an energy source as carbohydrate falls, and I feel good and think this is the right direction unless something changes.
- My old cardiology practice was "as low as you can go" for cholesterol, blood pressure, and glucose. Experience softened that: in an older person, a blood pressure of 110 can mean passing out, breaking a hip, or inadequate brain perfusion, so lower is not automatically better.
- We have had statins since the late 1980s and, in my view, pushing cholesterol as low as possible has not dramatically changed the problem. LDL is probably "at the scene of the crime," but inflammation, diabetes, and high triglycerides are there too; procedure-driven cardiology can also become comfortable with medications and repeat stents without spending much time on why the disease is happening.
- I changed my practice so I could see fewer people, teach nutrition and movement, and explain disease and risk well enough that patients could make their own choices. Most of the plant-based patients who trusted me through earlier success also trusted me when I said we needed to pivot.
- Some vegans were angry that I changed my mind, but my goal is preventing heart disease and diabetes, not staying tied to an intervention. I want the root cause and I am still learning; the distinction I attributed to Dr. Unwin between the art of medicine, which allows change and growth, and the science of medicine becoming dogma captures how I think about that.
- Nutrition studies are largely observational, and if two diet groups both stop eating junk food, start exercising, and quit smoking, both can improve. The harder question is what happens after those broad changes and whether we can separate the effects further.
Statins, lipid shorthand, and what I learned from patients
- A low-fat diet will tend to lower LDL, but I see a tradeoff in perhaps smaller particles and more inflammation over time. For me, statins also carry what I cited as a 4% increase in diabetes plus muscle side effects that matter because I run, so I do not want them for myself.
- Statins may still have a place after a heart attack or in someone with greater clotting risk because they may have anti-inflammatory and clotting effects. If a patient wanted one I would not refuse it; I think the decision should account for the whole person, not simply one abnormal cholesterol number.
- I agreed with the critique of the LDL-bad/HDL-good shorthand and added that drugs that lowered HDL were followed by heart attacks and were pulled, leaving HDL viewed as less protective while LDL remains the dominant target. I also said triglycerides get pushed aside and that statins do not change triglycerides at all.
- Saturated fat was similarly demonized for me: "the fat you eat, the fat you wear." A fatty brown meal with no fiber looks wrong after decades of that message, which helps explain why the change is difficult.
- The strongest pushback after our town hall often came from wives who had joined the practice to keep husbands with cardiovascular disease plant-based. Some felt I had taken away the support that was keeping their husbands safe, while some husbands who had never wanted the diet were delighted that meat was back.
- One long-term vascular patient changed how I looked at the history. He had developed disease young and I had focused on meat, but when I finally asked what he actually ate decades earlier, he told me about donuts for lunch and a major sweet tooth; I had never asked that before.
- I accept that Dr. Esselstyn had some success, but when I look at those papers I do not know how much came from the plant-based diet itself versus whether people were diabetic, stopped smoking, started exercising, or made other major lifestyle changes.
- My own Appalachian family made the same point for me. They raised pigs and ate pork and lard, but my grandfather who died at 48 smoked, worked in coal mines, and lived under major stress; another grandmother was obese, drank large amounts of Coca-Cola, and ate a lot of carbohydrate, and the family diet also had bread, mashed potatoes, pies, and cakes. I had focused on the meat.
- I agreed with the dietary-context criticism around the 2023 Harvard red-meat/type 2 diabetes study: there was never just meat on the table where I grew up; there was also a large bread, potato, rice, or other starch contribution and plenty of sweets, and even berries were saved for pies loaded with sugar and were not eaten by themselves. [3]
- I also had a major sweet tooth during my plant-based years: oatmeal needed brown sugar and dates, I later ate enormous amounts of fruit, there was maple syrup, and running gels were pure glucose with Coca-Cola as late-race fuel. I believed the fructose was going straight to my liver and was not helping me; my baseline diet was about 75-80% carbohydrate and weekends added even more simple sugar.
Running and implementing lower carbohydrate
- Three weeks before this interview I ran 100 miles at age 64 and was running again by the end of the week, with no muscle soreness and none of the prolonged fatigue I used to have after races. I believe more protein improved recovery and taking carbohydrate out reduced inflammation.
- Endurance culture had taught me to keep pushing gels and even to "train your gut" to absorb more carbohydrate. Over many hours, that amount of carbohydrate can make the gut shut down, cause bloating and sickness, and produce insulin spikes and lows; I realized my trail-race Oreos, Coca-Cola, and sandwiches were a weekend sugar binge, and Koutnik told me that while insulin stays high I cannot access my fat stores.
- In the latest 100-miler I mostly used foods such as beef jerky and had a cheeseburger around mile 70, though I added more carbohydrate late when I was struggling. High-carbohydrate chews and Coca-Cola pushed my CGM into the 200s, and after finishing around 3 p.m. my glucose did not settle until about 11 p.m.; that made me worry that high-carb endurance fueling can create diabetics who feel healthy because they can run far.
- My current day is coffee with a little MCT oil, a 5-6 mile run, more coffee with half-and-half, bacon and eggs at lunch, ketone powder or Ketone-IQ in the afternoon, and meat with a little vegetable at dinner. I am still struggling to get into marked ketosis.
- With patients, we cut carbohydrate based on their metabolic condition. For insulin-resistant, prediabetic, or diabetic patients we may move under 100 g, then 50 g, and sometimes under 20 g, and CGMs have been very useful because seeing the glucose response gets people on board. When people cut carbohydrate without adding enough saturated fat they sometimes had low energy, so we taught them that fat had to become an energy source; early changes included ankle and leg swelling disappearing and one man losing 20 lb.
- I also teach from symptoms: sleepiness after a high-carbohydrate meal, afternoon naps, and getting "hangry" can lead us to check insulin. The hardest step for many patients over 50 is accepting saturated fat after growing up in the low-fat era, but once they make the change, I find this way of eating much simpler than the chopping, combining, and planning I used to do to assemble plant-based meals.
Absolute risk, testing, and metabolic health
- If a doctor is pushing a statin, I would start with absolute risk and ask what the actual benefit is. Gary Taubes had just published a Substack article asking how much longer LDL lowering makes someone live; I cited about 1% absolute benefit, a couple of days, perhaps a month if someone is very high risk, and probably less for a woman. [4]
- I would also ask how insulin resistance and diabetes change the risk. I was guilty of not asking what people were actually eating when they had their cardiovascular event, and I now want those metabolic risk factors addressed.
- We used to stress-test asymptomatic people with diabetes because they were high risk, but even an abnormal result without symptoms did not necessarily make them live longer or better. I would focus first on diabetes and metabolic syndrome, while also respecting symptoms and functional capacity; stress testing has fallen out of favor as calcium scoring and CT angiography have become common.
- In the over-50 running community, calcium scoring or CT angiography would probably find a lot of vascular disease in people who are completely asymptomatic. I would target what keeps them asymptomatic and functional and avoid intervention solely because imaging finds disease, especially when an intervention might make things worse.
- After decades in medicine, I know I cannot predict anyone's expiration date; there are probabilities, not certainty. Improving metabolic health casts a wider net for me because diabetes raises cardiovascular and cancer risk: lowering LDL will not prevent breast cancer, while improving metabolic health might.
References
- [00:24] Diet for a New America — https://newworldlibrary.com/product/diet-for-a-new-america-8212-br-25th-anniversary-edition
- [02:03] Carbohydrate Ingestion on Exercise Metabolism and Physical Performance — https://doi.org/10.1210/endrev/bnaf038
- [30:08] Red meat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in a prospective cohort study of United States females and males — https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajcnut.2023.08.021
- [45:49] Lowering LDL: Surely, a "Heart-Healthy" Diet Is Worth the Effort. Isn't it? — https://uncertaintyprinciples.substack.com/p/lowering-ldl-surely-a-heart-healthy




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