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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 8 minutes ago

The entire argument hinges on a estimated thermic effect of food, which was estimated "theoretically" in 2004 at 25% for protein consumption. Taking into account potential energy not just thermal energy, as well as time of expenditure (not just instantaneous) - https://doi.org/10.1186/1743-7075-1-5

 

Are the "meat sweats" real? Today we're seeing whether the always-hungry Joey Tribbiani from Friends was right about the meat sweats... or whether they're just another food myth.

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What the meat sweats are

  • Meat sweats are heat and perspiration after a very large meat-heavy meal.
  • Warmth has occurred after overeating meat, but full sweating has not.
  • The central question is whether the effect is real and how much meat produces it.

How the phrase became mainstream

  • Friends brought the phrase into mainstream use in its 2001 Season 8 Thanksgiving episode.
  • Joey finishes nearly an entire turkey that Monica identifies as about 19 pounds, then says, "Oh, here come the meat sweats."
  • The episode drew about 24 million viewers, exceeding the estimated 19 million viewers for the Game of Thrones finale, so the line reached a massive audience.

Protein, digestion, and heat

  • The explanation begins with the extra energy required to digest food.
  • Protein requires more digestive energy than carbohydrates or fats, so a larger share of its calories becomes heat. [1]
  • The extra heat can make the body slightly warmer and activate sweating as part of temperature control.
  • A single meal's ability to generate enough heat to cross that sweating threshold is unknown.
  • Competitive eater Joey Chestnut is an example: after the annual hot-dog contest, he sweats heavily, and people say the sticky, greasy sweat smells like hot dogs.

The turkey heat calculation

  • The 19-pound turkey is assigned 11.4 pounds of edible meat after a 60% carcass figure is invoked.
  • At 23 grams of protein per 4 ounces, the meal contains about 1,048.8 grams of protein and 4,195.7 protein calories.
  • With 25% of protein calories converted to heat, digestion releases about 1,048.8 kilocalories, or 4,388 kilojoules, of heat. [1]
  • Body specific-heat values include 4.2 kJ/kg/°C for water, an older human estimate of 3.5 kJ/kg/°C, and an empirical human value of 2.98 kJ/kg/°C. [2]
  • With an 80-kilogram body mass, the equation predicts an 18°C, or 65°F, rise in body temperature.

Why the calculation fails

  • A 65°F rise would be fatal, yet Joey and competitive eaters survive enormous meals.
  • The equation omits the body's continuous temperature regulation.
  • When the body gets too hot, blood vessels expand and sweating begins until temperature returns toward 37°C.
  • The cooling response begins as soon as digestion raises temperature slightly and brings it back toward normal.

Overeating risk and the final answer

  • Extreme stomach stretching is the danger from an enormous meal, not a 65°F temperature rise.
  • In a 1983 case, a 23-year-old woman in the United Kingdom died after consuming 19 pounds of food in four hours.
  • Short Guinness eating-record time limits discourage prolonged consumption beyond the body's capacity.
  • For an 84-kilogram body moving from 98.6°F to 100°F, the equation predicts 200 kilojoules of protein heat, 47.8 protein calories, and about 57 grams of turkey.
  • The result conflicts with ordinary experience and confirms that the equation cannot determine a meat-sweat dose.
  • No guaranteed amount of meat produces meat sweats, and individual responses differ.
  • The attempt ends because forcing down more meat could be fatal.

References

  1. [04:45] The energy content and composition of meals consumed after an overnight fast and their effects on diet induced thermogenesis: a systematic review, meta-analyses and meta-regressions — https://doi.org/10.3390/nu8110670
  2. [08:26] The specific heat of the human body is lower than previously believed: The journal Temperature toolbox — https://doi.org/10.1080/23328940.2022.2088034

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 21 minutes ago

Are you taking b12 supplements? if not (nor have i needed any supplements) what are you doing to keep your b12 status in check?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Even those people 100-150g of protein a day.

Meat doesn't cause sweating

 

Persistent hunger can result when high insulin lowers circulating fuel while the brain becomes resistant to important fullness signals from insulin and leptin. Restoring insulin sensitivity and avoiding repeated large glucose and insulin spikes may help correct the signals driving hunger rather than relying on willpower alone.

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Why hunger returns after eating

  • Persistent hunger after adequate food is a hormonal consequence of disrupted fuel availability and satiety signaling.
  • Insulin transfers glucose and fat into tissues, limits release of stored fat, and suppresses hepatic ketone production.
  • The brain tracks circulating glucose, fatty acids, and ketones; a combined decline functions as an energy-shortfall signal.
  • When insulin action continues beyond meal absorption, stored fuel remains inaccessible while circulating fuel enters a reactive trough.

Fuel partitioning and reactive dips

  • In adults maintaining weight loss, a higher-carbohydrate diet yielded lower total circulating metabolic energy late after meals.[1]
  • The energy remained in the body but had moved into storage while release from storage stayed suppressed.
  • In 12 teenagers with obesity, a high-glycemic meal caused a sharp glucose rise and fall, glucose and fatty acids below fasting baseline, more adrenaline, and more hunger.[2]
  • During the next five hours, voluntary intake was 53% greater than after the medium-glycemic meal and 81% greater than after the low-glycemic meal.[2]
  • In people isolated from food and time cues, transient glucose dips preceded most meal requests; one study found this pattern before 83% of requests.
  • Hunger two or three hours after a carbohydrate-heavy meal reflects the reactive fuel dip, not inadequate calories in the meal.
  • This hunger favors rapidly absorbed, high-glycemic foods and forms a repeating spike-dip-refeed cycle.

Gut satiety signaling

  • GLP-1 slows gastric emptying and acts on appetite-regulating brain centers to increase fullness.
  • Lean women and women with obesity received carbohydrate-heavy and fat-heavy meals; the obesity group had a markedly blunted carbohydrate-triggered GLP-1 response, while the fat-triggered response was similar.
  • The same carbohydrate energy therefore produces a weaker fullness signal when the GLP-1 response is impaired.
  • The direction of causality is unconfirmed; the immediate result is less fullness from the same meal.
  • Gut L cells respond to insulin, insulin stimulates GLP-1 release, and chronic excess insulin makes these cells insulin resistant.[6]

Leptin resistance

  • Leptin from fat tissue communicates the size of stored energy reserves and should reduce hunger as fat mass rises.
  • A study measured 136 normal-weight people and about the same number with obesity; the obesity group had more than four times the leptin, and leptin closely tracked body-fat percentage.[3]
  • Obesity therefore combines abundant leptin with a weak brain response, allowing hunger to persist despite large energy reserves.
  • Sustained excess leptin signaling causes downregulation of the response and leptin resistance.

Brain insulin and food reward

  • Insulin enters the brain and shifts hypothalamic activity away from hunger-driving neurons and toward satiety pathways.
  • Intranasal insulin isolates this brain action because it delivers insulin toward the brain with little change in systemic insulin.
  • Healthy participants given intranasal insulin ate less, experienced greater fullness after lunch, ate fewer highly palatable snacks, and rated those foods as less appealing without a meaningful systemic insulin change.[4]
  • Brain insulin therefore suppresses both food intake and the reward value of highly palatable food.
  • Brain insulin resistance weakens ordinary satiety and leaves highly palatable foods compelling.
  • In men with obesity, eight weeks of nasal insulin did not reduce body weight or body fat, although other central responses remained intact.
  • In normal-weight men, the identical protocol reduced body fat.[5]
  • High circulating insulin therefore coexists with weak central satiety when the brain is insulin resistant.
  • Leptin and insulin act on overlapping hypothalamic circuits, so resistance to both signals commonly occurs together.

Integrated mechanism and solution

  • Four mechanisms converge: insulin-driven fuel dips, blunted carbohydrate-triggered GLP-1, leptin resistance, and brain insulin resistance.
  • The common thread is chronically elevated insulin combined with resistance to insulin's actions.
  • Persistent hunger is not a discipline failure; it is a mismatch between the source of energy, its destination, and the signals reaching the brain.
  • The lasting solution lowers chronic insulin exposure, restores insulin sensitivity, and removes the daily struggle against hunger.

References

  1. [04:37] Effects of Dietary Carbohydrate Content on Circulating Metabolic Fuel Availability in the Postprandial State — https://doi.org/10.1210/jendso/bvaa062
  2. [05:43] High Glycemic Index Foods, Overeating, and Obesity — https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.103.3.e26
  3. [14:47] Serum Immunoreactive-Leptin Concentrations in Normal-Weight and Obese Humans — https://doi.org/10.1056/NEJM199602013340503
  4. [17:07] Postprandial Administration of Intranasal Insulin Intensifies Satiety and Reduces Intake of Palatable Snacks in Women — https://doi.org/10.2337/db11-1390
  5. [19:50] Intranasal Insulin Reduces Body Fat in Men but Not in Women — https://doi.org/10.2337/diabetes.53.11.3024
  6. [22:20] Insulin Regulates Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Secretion from the Enteroendocrine L Cell — https://doi.org/10.1210/en.2008-0729

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 22 hours ago

Daily sauna use. You have to get HOT to feel cool. You will become heat adapted, feel cooler, and sweat less. Plus it has great cardiovascular benefits.

 

Taylor talks about her journey on the carnivore diet.

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Weight history and diet start

  • About three years before the interview, a coworker introduced Taylor to carnivore through an unidentified YouTube weight-loss video.
  • Earlier attempts included keto, tea or water with chia seeds, and Weight Watchers, but none became sustainable.
  • At 5 ft 4 in, Taylor weighed 266 lb and later weighed about 132–134 lb after roughly three years of carnivore eating.
  • Taylor began after being denied a weight-loss supplement, ate meat and eggs, lost weight, and did not return to the earlier eating pattern.
  • Before carnivore, Taylor ate fast food every day, often skipped food until evening, and then binge-ate large meals.

Energy, symptoms, and physical capacity

  • Taylor's energy increased alongside continued work in a physically demanding job cleaning portable toilets and greater activity after work.
  • Taylor can complete 12- to 14-hour shifts without the next-day pain and exhaustion that previously followed long workdays.
  • Taylor's skin cleared substantially, hair felt healthier, recurrent headaches stopped, and episodes of illness ceased.
  • At 266 lb, a work medical examiner suspected sleep apnea, although Taylor did not pursue testing; sleep then felt poor regardless of duration.
  • Taylor's joints and body previously hurt after work, while the same physical workload later became easier to tolerate.

Current diet, appetite, and training

  • Taylor initially ate strict zero-carb carnivore; the current breakfast is two eggs and a protein shake.
  • Dinner is meat-centered, commonly about one pound of ground beef or turkey, or steak or pork, often with eggs and bacon.
  • The protein shake leaves intake at about four grams of carbohydrate per day, so the current diet is no longer strictly zero-carb.
  • Taylor lifts weights twice weekly and is now focused on building muscle rather than continuing continuous weight loss.
  • Breakfast keeps Taylor full until dinner without hangriness, and beef is more satiating for Taylor than chicken.
  • High animal-protein intake coincided with the end of daytime restriction and evening fast-food binges.

Medical testing and family experience

  • Taylor obtained baseline bloodwork when starting carnivore and repeated it about three years later, near the beginning of the interview year.
  • Taylor's doctor suspected an eating disorder or anemia because of the large weight change, while the follow-up bloodwork was better overall.
  • Cholesterol was higher than before while triglycerides were lower; no numerical laboratory values are provided.
  • Both parents adopted carnivore and lost more than 100 lb, creating a shared family support system.

Carbohydrate reintroduction and long-term approach

  • When Taylor added more carbohydrates for weight training, body weight increased by about 20 lb, believed to include both water and fat.
  • Carb loading coincided with puffiness, swelling, and feeling worse; after lifting, Taylor's hands could feel extremely tight the next morning.
  • Returning to roughly four grams of carbohydrate per day coincided with feeling cleaner, and Taylor intends to continue this pattern for life.
  • People who enjoy animal foods can move directly to steak, eggs, bacon, and other meats.
  • People who cannot make an abrupt change can remove non-carnivore foods gradually, such as eliminating one sugary item each week.
  • The workable transition is the one a person can follow successfully.

References

  • None.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

will satisfy you.

You don't have to satisfy anyone but yourself. If your at peace with your choices - great.

I haven’t had any health issues for decades. Nor have I needed any supplements.

fantastic! keep doing whats working for you!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Bioengineer yourself into Zaan from farscape? a intelligent plant species

If I kill an animal myself and eat its flesh vs accidentally trampling or eating a worm trapped in an apple. I would feel worse by the former and try to minimize such circumstances.

Let me try to square this circle -

I'm sure you have seen the previous posts on the calculus of death in food production - if your goal is to minimize deaths in total rather then as direct intentional acts - eating one cow a year or two appears to win by a wide margin. However, if you want to say "i don't intend these deaths" you still have to acknowledge the unintentional deaths that are inevitable consequences of the choice even if they are not "intentional".. i.e. drink drivers don't intend to kill people in motor collisions, but its inevitable if they do it enough.

 

Humans live on a narrow nutritional margin carved from a vast, largely inedible biosphere....

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

In your ideal world, how do you eat food?

You can't use any soil, because that would impact worms and insects

You can't use pesticides, because that would impact the insects and also the birds

You're left with hydroponics? But where do you get the inputs for the hydroponics? They have the same problem.

It kinda sounds like your going to be Doug Forcett in the good place

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 day ago (8 children)

That's an interesting philosophy. Does it extend to all carnivores on the planet? I.e would we go out and destroy all carnivores, so herbivores never get killed? What about herbivores that kill, but don't eat? Like hippos

Where do you draw the line on life that should not be hunted? Or kept captive? Feed animals obviously, Worms, crickets and birds for crops? then pets, symbiotic bacteria, captive mitochondria... Where do you draw the line on captivity?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I find the content interesting, I'll read it, if I find the author interesting, I'll read it, if a friend recommends it, I'll read it.

It's not much effort to read, you can always stop reading and put the book away. If it's not worth your time. Libraries are great for this, pick up a book. Read a little bit. Decide if you want to keep reading...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 day ago

good call....

Zephyr - 13 hours, 11 comments, 1500 words written... and still hasn't even glanced at the post content, clearly bad faith

 

Wilhelm Röntgen's accidental discovery of X-rays in 1895 revolutionized science and medicine. While repeating an experiment on cathode rays, he observed a mysterious fluorescence emanating from his equipment, far beyond the reach of the known rays. This led him to investigate a new, penetrating form of radiation, which he termed X-rays. His initial experiments revealed their ability to pass through solid objects, famously producing the first radiograph of his wife's hand. The medical community quickly recognized the diagnostic power of X-rays, leading to their widespread adoption in surgery and treatment. Further research by scientists like Laue and the Braggs established X-rays as electromagnetic waves with wavelengths shorter than ultraviolet light, and their diffraction by crystals opened up the field of X-ray crystallography, providing insights into atomic structure and the composition of matter. Today, X-rays are a crucial tool in non-destructive testing, industrial quality control, and advanced medical imaging.

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The Sanskrit phrase "jīvo jīvasya jīvanam" (जीवो जीवस्य जीवनम्)1 can be translated as “one living being is the sustenance of another.” While the dating is uncertain (Sanskrit traditions were transmitted orally long before their final written compilation 1,000 years ago), the idea itself — that living beings subsist upon other living beings — is deeply embedded throughout ancient Indian thought. A suitable interpretive translation is “life eats life.”

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What if most of our modern diseases are really just symptoms of the same problem? The Magic Pill follows doctors, patients, scientists, chefs, farmers and journalists from around the globe who are combating illness through a paradigm shift in eating. And this simple change - embracing fat as our main fuel - is showing profound promise in improving the health of people, animals and the planet.

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Core dietary model

  • Human weight regulation and chronic health worsen when ancestral whole foods are displaced by industrial carbohydrates, grains, sugar, refined oils, and food-like products.
  • Standard low-fat guidance removed traditional animal fats and increased dependence on starches, grains, and industrial seed oils.
  • Real food consists of meat, seafood, eggs, vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds, and natural fats such as olive oil, coconut oil, ghee, lard, tallow, and avocado.
  • The body can use glucose or ketone bodies for energy, and carbohydrate restriction shifts metabolism toward fat and ketones.
  • Repeated high-carbohydrate intake produces repeated insulin secretion, hyperinsulinemia, insulin resistance, weight gain, type 2 diabetes, vascular disease, and related chronic illness.

Yolngu health transition

  • Yolngu communities moved from robust health and little chronic disease to widespread diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, kidney disease, liver disease, and asthma after traditional foods were displaced by flour, sugar, soft drinks, and other imported foods.[1]
  • The Hope for Health retreat restored meat, vegetables, whole foods, movement, and traditional knowledge while removing sugar, flour, refined grains, and processed products.
  • Within days, participants had lower blood glucose and blood pressure, greater mobility and wellbeing, and less asthma burden; Yuranydjil felt flexible, refreshed, and free of asthma symptoms.

Household dietary intervention

  • Debbie began with obesity, headaches, depression, cognitive difficulty, thyroid medication, cholesterol medication, pain drugs, and fear of following her mother into dementia.
  • After the family adopted whole foods and higher natural fat, Debbie lost her headaches, gained energy and mental clarity, and felt engaged with life again.
  • Michelle began with obesity, asthma requiring daily inhalers, recurrent respiratory infections, thyroid disease, fibroids, anxiety, ADD, and numerous medications.
  • After five months, Michelle had clearer skin, voice, and thinking, no respiratory infections or antibiotics, and no inhaler use for roughly three months.
  • Abigail began as a nonverbal autistic child with epilepsy, central sleep apnea, constipation, digestive problems, about 50 seizures daily, and dependence on processed snack foods.
  • After five weeks without grains and processed foods, Abigail was calmer, less bloated, off daily laxatives, having fewer seizures, beginning anticonvulsant withdrawal, using a fork, saying "no," and following simple requests.
  • Aaron entered a ketogenic-autism clinical trial after years on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet; after three months his ADOS score fell from 16 to 8, with greater social interaction, independence, self-care, and less repetitive movement.[2]

Diabetes, insulin, and cancer

  • Pati began with type 2 diabetes, peripheral neuropathy, gastroparesis, early kidney disease, coronary disease, a 99% carotid blockage, and 50 units of long-acting insulin nightly.
  • After roughly six weeks to two months, Pati had lost 17 pounds, stopped short-acting insulin, and reduced long-acting insulin from 50 to 20 units; she later lost 45 pounds and stopped insulin completely.
  • Cancer cells share a strong dependence on glucose fermentation, so lowering glucose and insulin can attack a common metabolic vulnerability while ketogenic diets can support conventional cancer care.
  • Sara used a very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet after an invasive HER2-amplified breast-cancer diagnosis, declined surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation, and said serial MRI scans showed tumor shrinkage and later no visible lesion.
  • Eugene Fine's pilot work used carbohydrate restriction to reduce insulin in ten people with advanced cancer and evaluated safety, feasibility, and metabolic response.[7]

Diet-heart history and institutional resistance

  • Ancel Keys linked saturated fat and cholesterol to heart disease, influenced the American Heart Association's 1961 advice, and used the Seven Countries Study of nearly 13,000 men to support the diet-heart hypothesis.[3]
  • Large controlled feeding experiments in Finnish mental hospitals and a Los Angeles veterans hospital replaced saturated fats with unsaturated oils but did not establish the broad mortality benefit promised by the diet-heart model.[4][5]
  • The Women's Health Initiative assigned about 48,000 postmenopausal women to a low-fat pattern or usual diet for about eight years; the intervention did not significantly reduce coronary heart disease, stroke, or cardiovascular disease.[6]
  • Americans reduced animal fats, red meat, eggs, and whole milk while increasing grains, vegetable oils, fruit, and vegetables, yet obesity and metabolic disease continued to rise.
  • Timothy Noakes defended low-carbohydrate, high-fat advice before South Africa's professional regulator and was found not guilty of unprofessional conduct.
  • Food, pharmaceutical, weight-loss, commodity-crop, and professional institutions benefit from carbohydrate-centered guidance and can shape funding, conferences, public messaging, and accepted practice.
  • A randomized metabolic-syndrome trial associated with Stephen Phinney found greater reductions in body mass, abdominal fat, triglycerides, and blood saturated fatty acids, plus higher HDL, on a carbohydrate-restricted ketogenic diet than on a low-fat diet.[8]

Food systems and land

  • Industrial grain production removes perennial ecosystems, depends on fertilizer and pesticides, erodes soil, damages waterways, and supplies feedlots that fatten cattle on an unnatural diet.
  • Managed grazing copies herd movement, gives pasture time to recover, builds soil, hydrates landscapes, converts grass into nutrient-dense food, and stores carbon.
  • Ethical food production cannot remove animal life and death from soil fertility; gardens, cropland, pest control, and fertilizers also depend on animals and ecological killing.
  • Local whole-food systems, grass-fed livestock, whole-animal purchasing, and regenerative farming reconnect human nutrition with functioning ecosystems.

Final principle

  • The human body is complex, but fueling it with species-appropriate whole food is simple: remove industrial food, reduce carbohydrate exposure, restore natural fats, and allow metabolism to regulate itself.

References

  1. [11:39] Nutrition and Health (1948) of Aborigines in Settlements in Arnhem Land, Northern Australia — https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1440-6047.2000.00199.x
  2. [30:56] A Modified Ketogenic Gluten-Free Diet with MCT Improves Behavior in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder — https://doi.org/10.1016/j.physbeh.2018.02.006
  3. [38:57] Seven Countries: A Multivariate Analysis of Death and Coronary Heart Disease — https://doi.org/10.4159/harvard.9780674497887
  4. [40:16] Dietary Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease: The Finnish Mental Hospital Study — https://doi.org/10.1093/ije/8.2.99
  5. [40:16] A Controlled Clinical Trial of a Diet High in Unsaturated Fat in Preventing Complications of Atherosclerosis — https://doi.org/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1
  6. [42:54] Low-Fat Dietary Pattern and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease: The Women's Health Initiative Randomized Controlled Dietary Modification Trial — https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.295.6.655
  7. [52:36] Targeting Insulin Inhibition as a Metabolic Therapy in Advanced Cancer: A Pilot Safety and Feasibility Dietary Trial in 10 Patients — https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nut.2012.05.001
  8. [63:11] Carbohydrate Restriction Has a More Favorable Impact on the Metabolic Syndrome than a Low Fat Diet — https://doi.org/10.1007/s11745-008-3274-2

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Zoë has a PhD in public health nutrition. She struggles to find anything that is being taught in 'conventional' nutritional worlds that is true or evidence based. Hence why she spent 2008-10 writing The Obesity Epidemic - 135,000 words blowing apart: the misapplication of thermodynamics to dieting; the notion that 1lb = 3,500 calories, let alone that a deficit of 3,500 calories will lead to a weight loss of 1lb; the Seven Countries Study and the subsequent change in our diet advice, which has caused the obesity epidemic; the role of exercise in obesity and much more.

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Definitions and question

  • Veganism excludes meat, fish, eggs, and dairy, leaving grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, vegetables, fruits, and plant oils.[1]
  • Plant-based language is softer than vegan language, while some research definitions include people who occasionally eat meat or fish within vegetarian categories.[2][3][4]
  • About 20 years as a vegetarian, including a vegan period, ended with rejection of the nutritional, animal, and planetary cases for veganism.

Nutrition and evidence

  • Randomized trials, systematic reviews, and meta-analyses are at the top of the evidence hierarchy.[5][6]
  • A PubMed search for vegan-diet meta-analyses produced 28 results, with three remaining after removal of mismatched designs, diets, and surrogate-marker analyses.[7]
  • The mental-health meta-analysis linked vegetarian or vegan diets with higher depression risk and lower anxiety scores, which is not an endorsement of the diets.[8]
  • The bone meta-analysis found lower femoral-neck and lumbar-spine bone mineral density in vegetarians and vegans, with higher fracture rates in vegans.[9]
  • The type 2 diabetes meta-analysis found better glycemic control with low-carbohydrate, low-glycemic-index, Mediterranean, and high-protein diets, not vegetarian, vegan, or high-fiber diets.[10]
  • The Ornish trial combined a low-fat vegetarian diet with smoking cessation, stress management, aerobic exercise, and psychosocial support, so its coronary improvement cannot be assigned to the diet.[11]
  • The Game Changers erection experiment used three men over two nights, comparing a meat burrito with a plant burrito.[12]
  • The Daily Dozen calculation supplied about 1,364 calories, nearly 70% carbohydrate, 16% fat, and 17% protein, with multiple vitamins, minerals, and animal-form nutrients absent or below the selected targets.[14]
  • A healthy diet supplies essential nutrients without supplementation; a vegan diet requires supplementation and is therefore not healthy.[13][14]

Animals and food production

  • Cattle, pigs, sheep, hens, and domestic cats would not exist in a vegan food system because livestock and carnivorous pets depend on animal agriculture.
  • The Vegetarian Myth links crop production to unavoidable animal deaths: even protecting a lettuce requires excluding or killing slugs.[15]
  • One cow was calculated to provide more than 600,000 calories and feed one person for a year, while the same calories would require about 228 chickens.[16][17][18]
  • Fischer and Lamey's field-death paper is used with an estimate of seven billion animal deaths annually on harvested U.S. cropland, alongside about 40 million cattle and nine billion chickens killed for food.[19]
  • Confining chickens and cattle in sheds or concrete systems is wrong, and removing grazing ruminants is also wrong because they belong on grassland.

Soil and climate

  • Grazing ruminants host microflora, return material to the land, and rejuvenate topsoil; soil-free greenhouse production removes that relationship and requires added carbon dioxide.[20]
  • Rotational systems such as Polyface Farm alternate animals, crops, and rest, while plant-only cultivation continually takes from soil without returning animal fertility.
  • Local food comes from the surrounding land and water: cattle, sheep, dairy, fish, eggs, and seasonal vegetables, not distant imported produce.
  • Humans also generate methane, including methane measured in flatus, so methane production is not unique to cattle.[21]
  • Atmospheric methane is about 1.8 parts per million; the calculations reduce agriculture's share to about 0.44 and enteric fermentation to about 0.3 parts per million.[22][23][24]

Institutions and conclusion

  • The EAT-Lancet diet permits zero animal food while allocating roughly 110 to 120 calories to table sugar.[25]
  • FReSH includes agribusiness, chemical, technology, consultancy, processed-food, retail, pharmaceutical, insect-production, and other large corporate interests.[26]
  • Veganism is rejected because removing livestock threatens topsoil and local food production, then transfers control of food to corporations whose incentive is commercial, not health.

References

  1. [01:24] Food Groups — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2015/05/food-groups/
  2. [02:49] Plant based diet propaganda — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2019/08/plant-based-diet-propaganda/
  3. [02:49] Plant based diet propaganda – Part 2 — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2019/09/plant-based-diet-propaganda-part-2/
  4. [03:20] Vegetarian diets: what do we know of their effects on common chronic diseases? — https://doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.2009.26736K
  5. [05:50] The Levels of Evidence and Their Role in Evidence-Based Medicine — https://doi.org/10.1097/PRS.0b013e318219c171
  6. [06:09] Primary, Secondary, and Meta-Analysis of Research — https://doi.org/10.3102/0013189X005010003
  7. [06:53] PubMed search: vegan diet, meta-analysis filter — https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=vegan+diet&filter=pubt.meta-analysis&size=50
  8. [07:31] Vegetarianism and veganism compared with mental health and cognitive outcomes: a systematic review and meta-analysis — https://doi.org/10.1093/nutrit/nuaa030
  9. [07:58] Veganism, vegetarianism, bone mineral density, and fracture risk: a systematic review and meta-analysis — https://doi.org/10.1093/nutrit/nuy045
  10. [08:33] Systematic review and meta-analysis of different dietary approaches to the management of type 2 diabetes — https://doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.112.042457
  11. [09:45] Intensive Lifestyle Changes for Reversal of Coronary Heart Disease — https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.280.23.2001
  12. [10:53] The Game Changers — https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840
  13. [11:59] National Food Strategy – call for evidence — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2019/10/national-food-strategy-call-for-evidence/
  14. [13:17] Food to help you live longer — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/01/food-to-help-you-live-longer/
  15. [17:29] The Vegetarian Myth – Lierre Keith — https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2011/08/the-vegetarian-myth-lierre-keith/
  16. [19:12] How Many Pounds of Meat Can We Expect From a Beef Animal? — https://beef.unl.edu/beefwatch/2020/how-many-pounds-meat-can-we-expect-beef-animal
  17. [19:18] Beef nutrition data used for the calorie calculation — https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3669/2
  18. [19:42] Raw Whole Chicken nutrition data — https://www.nutritionix.com/food/raw-whole-chicken
  19. [20:05] Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture — https://doi.org/10.1007/s10806-018-9733-8
  20. [22:49] Thanet Earth — https://www.thanetearth.com/
  21. [25:34] Investigation of normal flatus production in healthy volunteers — https://doi.org/10.1136/gut.32.6.665
  22. [26:50] Climate Change Indicators: Atmospheric Concentrations of Greenhouse Gases — https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-atmospheric-concentrations-greenhouse-gases
  23. [26:55] Methane Tracker 2020 — https://www.iea.org/reports/methane-tracker-2020
  24. [27:03] FAOSTAT Emissions Totals — https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/GT/visualize
  25. [28:42] Food in the Anthropocene: the EAT-Lancet Commission on healthy diets from sustainable food systems — https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(18)31788-4
  26. [29:01] Food Reform for Sustainability and Health — https://eatforum.org/initiatives/fresh/

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Dr. Jessica Turton is the Director of Ellipse Health and holds a PhD in nutrition awarded by the Faculty of Medicine and Health at the University of Sydney. Her thesis investigated the use and efficacy of low-carbohydrate diets for diabetes management, with a specific focus on type 1 diabetes. Dr. Turton conducted a clinical trial in collaboration with the CSIRO using a fully online delivery model which enabled Australia-wide participation. The aim of the study was to assess the safety and effect(s) of a nutritionally adequate low-carbohydrate diet on type 1 diabetes management outcomes.

Jessica has also co-authored several research articles in leading scientific journals, including "An Evidence-based Approach to Developing Low-carbohydrate Diets in Type 2 Diabetes: A Systematic Review" in Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism. Jessica was invited to speak at the American Diabetes Associated Conference in June 2020 to present the evidence for low-carbohydrate diets and nutritional ketosis in the treatment of diabetes and obesity.

Jessica has a passion for working with individuals to identify the primary nutritional problems affecting their health and preventing them from reaching their goals. She was the recipient of the Charles Perkins Centre Summer Research Scholarship in 2016/17 where she was part of a team that conducted analyses to investigate the association of industry-funding and results in published studies examining the effect of whole-grain intake for cardiovascular disease prevention.

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Calories and metabolic adaptation

  • Food supplies energy and nutrients; calories support movement, digestion, and vital organ function.
  • "Eat less and move more" can produce initial weight loss, but continued progress can demand progressively lower intake.
  • Most daily energy expenditure comes from basal or resting metabolism rather than deliberate exercise.
  • Excessive calorie restriction activates homeostatic energy conservation and can reduce energy, health, and metabolic rate.

Semi-starvation and extreme weight loss

  • The Minnesota experiment placed 36 healthy men on about 1,570 kcal/day for six months, producing about 25% weight loss. [1]
  • The men lost strength, stamina, libido, and concentration and developed depression, anxiety, food obsession, and disordered eating. [1]
  • Rehabilitation included three months of increasing calories and two months of unrestricted eating; some men ate up to 10,000 kcal/day with distressing symptoms. [1]
  • Resting metabolic rate fell during semi-starvation and remained suppressed after calories and body weight returned toward baseline. [1]
  • Biggest Loser contestants fell from about 148.9 kg to 90.6 kg, then returned to 131.5 kg six years later. [2]
  • Their average resting metabolic rate fell from about 2,600 to 1,996 kcal/day and remained about 1,903 kcal/day six years later despite weight regain. [2]
  • Persistent metabolic adaptation makes long-term weight loss a continuing struggle against reduced energy expenditure. [2]

Three foundations for eating more

  • Higher protein intake can raise resting energy expenditure by about 200 kcal/day, increase diet-induced thermogenesis two- to threefold, and support muscle mass.
  • Greater muscle mass supports insulin sensitivity, lower circulating insulin, and greater fat oxidation.
  • In a randomized trial of 162 adults, isocaloric diets supplied 60%, 40%, or 20% of energy from carbohydrate while protein stayed constant. [3]
  • The 20%-carbohydrate diet increased total energy expenditure by 209 kcal/day compared with the 60%-carbohydrate diet. [3]
  • Real, nutrient-dense foods supply micronutrients such as B vitamins, iron, and magnesium that support energy metabolism.
  • A systematic search of the Australian Food Composition Database identified top low-carbohydrate food sources for essential micronutrients and produced food lists and a sample meal plan. [4]

Clinical program outcomes

  • Ellipse Health instructed patients to eat listed foods to satiety, meet minimum protein and fat targets, prioritize real foods, and use individualized nutrition support.
  • Ten completers, averaging 62 years of age and 61 weeks of follow-up, increased mean intake from 1,411 to 2,190 kcal/day.
  • Mean body weight fell from 108 to 98 kg, while high energy levels rose from 0% to 50% and no participant had low energy at follow-up.
  • Two participants had not yet lost weight; one had consumed about 800 kcal/day for more than 50 years and required a longer restoration period.
  • Weight loss became a side effect of nourishment, while gains in energy, physiological function, cognition, and mental health became the larger benefits.

Who may benefit

  • The approach targets people with long histories of low-calorie dieting, low energy, disordered eating, mental-health concerns, or worsening health despite dieting.
  • A low-carbohydrate or real-food diet can still be inadequate when total food intake is too low.

References

  1. [04:33] They Starved So That Others Be Better Fed: Remembering Ancel Keys and the Minnesota Experiment — https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/135.6.1347
  2. [08:14] Persistent metabolic adaptation 6 years after "The Biggest Loser" competition — https://doi.org/10.1002/oby.21538
  3. [11:52] Effects of a low carbohydrate diet on energy expenditure during weight loss maintenance: randomized trial — https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k4583
  4. [13:44] Formulating Nutritionally Adequate Low-Carbohydrate Diets: An Analysis of the Australian Food Composition Database — https://doi.org/10.26717/BJSTR.2022.44.006991

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All General Practitioners should know the real fundamentals of nutrition to combat obesity - and the known risks of GLP-1s.

summerizerPurpose and thesis

  • Metabolic dysfunction and obesity are modifiable upstream drivers of chronic disease, and dietary therapy is the first-line response.
  • Calorie-restricted low-fat advice is predictably ineffective, and willpower is not an adequate explanation for obesity.

Insulin and carbohydrate model

  • Insulin is the dominant hormonal driver of fat storage because it promotes substrate entry into adipocytes and suppresses stored-fat release.
  • Lipohypertrophy, weight gain after insulin initiation, insulin omission for weight control, and an eight-year youth cohort show the fat-storing effect of high insulin.
  • High-carbohydrate diets raise glucose and insulin, enable de novo lipogenesis after glycogen capacity is filled, activate lipoprotein lipase and GLUT4, and inhibit hormone-sensitive lipase.
  • A controlled feeding trial found roughly 300 kcal per day higher energy expenditure on the low-carbohydrate diet during weight-loss maintenance.

Low-carbohydrate evidence and common objections

  • Seventy-one randomized low-carbohydrate versus low-fat weight-loss trials ran from 2003 to 2023, with all 39 statistically significant results favoring low carbohydrate.
  • Twenty meta-analyses and umbrella reviews are further evidence that carbohydrate restriction outperforms low-fat diets for weight loss.
  • A dietary requirement for 130 g of carbohydrate is unnecessary because ketones can fuel the brain and Cahill's fasted subjects tolerated profound insulin-induced hypoglycemia without symptoms.
  • Nutritional ketosis differs from diabetic ketoacidosis, and SGLT2-associated euglycemic acidosis involves insulin deficiency and renal acid handling, not ketones alone.
  • Routine protein restriction is unnecessary for healthy kidneys; MDRD follow-up and meta-analyses found no renal harm from higher protein intake in people without proteinuria.

Saturated fat and LDL

  • A simple saturated-fat-to-LDL rule is invalid because a butter, olive-oil, and coconut-oil trial did not produce the predicted LDL response.
  • LDL participates in innate immunity, and hypothyroidism, vitamin B12 deficiency, and folate deficiency can elevate LDL independently of dietary saturated fat.
  • The corn-oil trial, Sydney Diet Heart Study, Minnesota Coronary Experiment, and Women's Health Initiative failed to show cardiovascular benefit from reducing saturated fat and produced adverse signals.
  • Delayed publication, incomplete publication, and selective placement of statistically significant results distorted the saturated-fat evidence base.
  • Reviews of the evidence available before the 1977 guidelines and later meta-analyses provide no mortality justification for reducing saturated fat.

Semaglutide and GLP-1 drugs

  • STEP 1 produced an average 16.86 kg loss over 68 weeks in more than 1,300 participants, but DXA data from 95 participants attributed 39% of total loss to lean tissue.
  • Trial participants received exercise counseling, yet the pivotal publications did not quantify resistance training well enough to determine its protective effect.
  • SELECT regulatory data showed about a fivefold hip-fracture signal in females, and a 52-week Danish trial found lower spine and hip bone density, thinner tibial cortical bone, and rising bone resorption.
  • Recent epidemiology linked GLP-1 receptor agonists with an 11% higher fragility-fracture risk in older adults, while AAOS data linked use with higher five-year osteoporosis and osteomalacia risk.
  • STEP 1 follow-up participants regained about two-thirds of lost weight within 12 months after withdrawal, while STEP 2 supplied no body-composition data on regained weight.
  • Blundell's mechanistic trial found semaglutide reduced unrestricted energy intake by roughly one-quarter to one-third without improving food composition.
  • The gaunt facial change called "Ozempic face" is chiefly lean-tissue loss and malnutrition produced by appetite suppression.

Nutrient adequacy and tissue preservation

  • A 1975 intravenous overfeeding study found that withholding nitrogen, phosphate, potassium, or sodium blocked muscle or bone formation and diverted most or all gained weight into fat.
  • Bone is mineralized protein, so calcium alone is inadequate; an older-adult calcium and vitamin D trial linked the highest protein intake with increased bone mineral density.
  • A 2015 phosphate trial reduced weight and waist circumference, while magnesium and potassium experiments linked mineral repletion with improved glucose regulation.
  • Plant antinutrients and conversion limits reduce usable phosphorus, iron, zinc, retinol, EPA, and DHA despite their nominal presence in foods.
  • Animal foods supply highly bioavailable micronutrients and higher-scoring protein, making protein quality important during drug-induced appetite suppression.

Clinical conclusion

  • A low-carbohydrate, nutrient-dense, mostly animal-based diet with adequate protein is the preferred route to lower insulin, preserve lean tissue, and stimulate natural satiety.
  • Resistance training and sufficient protein can mitigate muscle and bone loss, but adopting them may also remove the need for indefinite injectable therapy.
  • Semaglutide can produce substantial weight loss, but patients should receive full informed consent about lean-tissue loss, skeletal risks, nutritional shortfalls, indefinite use, and weight regain after withdrawal.

References

 

“The salt of the earth.” “Worth one’s salt.” “Salt away” savings. These age-old expressions illustrate the value humans have placed on salt for eons.

More recently, however, salt has gone from something treasured to something feared. Health authorities have been encouraging us for decades to cut back on this once-prized substance, especially for lowering blood pressure and decreasing heart disease risk.

But are low-sodium diets necessary — or even safe — for everyone? Read on to learn more about salt and how much of it we should be eating, based on the best current evidence.

 

Want to start cooking? Just start. Where should you start? With THIS. Let's talk about the perfect cooking vessel, egg grades & anatomy, chat about steam and a quick rant about MSG

summerizerEgg structure and cooking goal

  • A chicken egg is a self-contained cooking vessel suited to simple, precise hard cooking.
  • The calcium-carbonate shell, cuticle, and two membranes protect the albumen from contamination.
  • Fresh eggs peel poorly; aging releases carbon dioxide, raises albumen pH, and weakens membrane adhesion.
  • Albumen proteins form the white gel, while the yolk supplies fat, protein, nutrients, and lecithin.

Choosing eggs

  • Grade A large eggs are sufficient; a large carton averages 24 ounces, or about 57 grams per egg.
  • The carton's Julian packing date identifies eggs aged 20–25 days for easier peeling.
  • Side storage for 24 hours before cooking keeps the yolks near the center.
  • Washed U.S. eggs require refrigeration because commercial washing removes the protective cuticle.

Steam-cooking, chilling, and peeling

  • A folding steamer sits in a large pot above roughly half an inch of rapidly boiling water.
  • Refrigerator-cold eggs enter the hot steamer and cook under a lid for 13 minutes.
  • Condensing steam transfers latent heat quickly, sets the outer white, and reduces membrane adhesion.
  • The eggs chill for about 13 minutes in 3 quarts of cold water, 2 pounds of ice, and pumped circulation.
  • One test egg reached about 180–181°F after cooking and 42°F after roughly 12 minutes of chilling.
  • Cracking and peeling occur in the cold bath, beginning opposite the air cell with water under the membrane.
  • Peeled eggs keep for about seven days in an airtight box between moist paper towels.

Pepper deviled eggs

  • The eggs are halved, the yolks removed, the intact whites arranged, and the yolks mashed until lump-free.
  • The filling uses green-peppercorn brine, chopped green peppercorns, Dijon mustard, and white pepper.
  • Soft butter and mild olive oil produce the creamy emulsion; mayonnaise and strongly flavored oil stay out.
  • The cool filling is piped into the whites and finished with pink peppercorns, black pepper, and salt.

MSG and umami

  • Robert Ho Man Kwok's 1968 letter linked a post-meal symptom cluster with several possible causes.
  • The "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" heading spread through the press and helped drive "no MSG" signs.
  • A later Australian double-blind study found no rigorous evidence linking the syndrome to MSG.
  • MSG is generally recognized as safe by the FDA for its specified food uses.
  • Protein-bound glutamate has little direct taste, while free glutamate activates savory umami receptors.
  • Kikunae Ikeda isolated glutamic acid from kombu and named its savory taste umami.
  • Modern MSG production ferments carbohydrates with organisms such as Corynebacterium glutamicum.

Egg salad

  • Damaged but edible peeled eggs become egg salad rather than waste.
  • The yolks are mashed with mayonnaise, Dijon, salt, onion powder, white pepper, and MSG.
  • The whites are coarsely chopped, folded into the yolks, and chilled for 30–60 minutes.
  • Japanese-style milk bread provides the final sandwich format.

References

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