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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 10 minutes ago

I got a cheap USB 2.0 over Ethernet box from AliExpress and forwarded my microphone back to the gaming computer. It's super clunky but mostly works

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 12 minutes ago

Most carnivore humans are b12 deficient.

How are carnivores at high risk for B12 deficiency?

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessional/

Perhaps you mean the standard diet, which is omnivore and 70% plant based already, in which case yes - lots of people are under eating essential animal proteins and at risk for deficiencies.

And also at risk for cardiovascular disease.

I'd love to see a non epidemiological source for this. Especially in zero carb carnivores, heck even ketogenic people, not the 70% plant based omnivore that is carb loading and eating processed food all day. We know from early pre westernizationed health surveys of carnivore populations they didn't have CVD.

From my reading CVD is driven by inflammation and hyperinsulinemia. Zero carb carnivore fixes the insulin so the cardio vascular system works properly and can repair properly, and is very low inflammation.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 37 minutes ago

Yes! Support your local regenerative farmer! Directly if you can.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

That infographic doesn't make the distinction between arable land and pastoral land. I.e. there are areas we can't grow crops but can feed ruminates. That breakdown is like 30/70 from the agricultural section of the infographic.

Meaning even if every cow was dead, the crop number doesn't increase

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 44 minutes ago

Because the main casual conversation moved to piefed before tools like Lemmy federate had piefed support, so the user base got massively fractured simply because of lack of discovery across instances.

That costs a ton of momentum

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 47 minutes ago

I have to image so, at its vary core removing choice and agency from people is unethical. They twist themselves into loops trying to justify why imposing their personal lifestyle on others through an acquired allergy is justified...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 52 minutes ago

I live in a warm place, everyone kicks off their shoes at the door in a pile that can range from orderly to new age art exhibit. Mostly barefoot inside.

The foot odor issue I've never noticed, maybe because it's so common people spend most of the day barefoot anyway

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 hour ago

That looks really good!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Your experience matches mine.

 

Photos of a week's worth of food for a family from selections around the globe. Very interesting.

https://www.menzelphoto.com/gallery/Hungry-Planet-Family-Food-Portraits/G0000zmgWvU6SiKM/C0000k7JgEHhEq0w

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

FWIW This may explain why so many carnivores end up eating one meal a day

Records of arctic explorer expeditions list pemmican rations at 300-600g/day... and those guys were working HARD, major energy requirements

This might also explain why so many people report gut issues resolving on carnivore, less food, less total time per day processing food, more time for the gut to rest. If your eating 3kg of food, it's probably going to be spread out over the whole day, and the gut will be working the entire time.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 15 hours ago

I've been meaning to incorporate more lamb into the rotation. A nice local ruminate, goats and lambs everywhere.

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Some napkin math:

Zero-Carb 350g/day: a 550kg ready for market cow yields 300kg of meat and fat, depending on how you model the burn rate of an adult that gives you enough energy for 12-20 months... Lets say 2600kcal/day so about 16 months - with daily protein at 100g, and fat at 250g.

I personally eat 300-500g per day on zero carb, so this math maths for me.

SAD - 1,200g/day: Let's compare that to the standard american diet: Estimated about 1.2kg/day https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-09/documents/efh-chapter14.pdf (table 14-3)

wfpb - 2,300g/day: Whole food nutritionally complete plant based eating pattern, using https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/16/1/257 for the nutritional template - taking their food plans for a 2,200kcal/day and scaling it up to 2,600kcal/day gives roughly 2.3kg


This puts zero carb as much more efficient energy density:

  • Zero Carb (ZC) - 128kg food per year
  • SAD eats 342% more, 438kg food per year
  • WFPB eats 657% more, 840kg food per year

No wonder pemmican was so vital for early explorers

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Meat Salad - Larb (en.wikipedia.org)
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Laab (Lao: ລາບ; Thai: ลาบ, RTGS: lap, pronounced [lâːp])[1], also spelled larb, laap, larp, or lahb, is a minced meat salad in Lao cuisine. Known for its bold and harmonious flavors, it is often accompanied by

This is a great option when at a restaurant or traveling - Skip the rice, eat the meat with some fresh flavors. Kind of a cheat day. This is very much on the dirty side of keto/carnivore.

One thing to be aware of is everyone cooks with seed oils, so that is just the cost of eating out. Many vendors will add sugar, so you should ask for the no sugar version as well.

 

Show off your food!

 

I bought some c8/c10 MCT oil to help a friend with brain issues, but I wanted to verify it did the needful.

According to https://doi.org/10.3390/nu15051148 I should see a effect in 30m, but peak effect in 60m.

I took a 70g dose, 5 hours since I'd eaten anything

measured baseline ketones of 1.1

at 30m, I was only at 1.2

I started to wonder if I had fake mct oil.

at 60m, I had ketones of 1.7

This matches the paper's response curve well enough. A 0.6mmol/l rise in ketones for a 70g dose.

 

I have studied nutrition for 20 years, here's everything you need to know.

summerizerNutrition science is limited because real causal experiments are almost impossible.

  • Modern nutrition teaching has failed because more than 70% of people are overweight or obese and chronic disease rates are rising.
  • Science needs experiments: identical groups, controlled conditions, one variable changed, and observed outcomes.
  • In nutrition, lifetime human experiments are blocked by ethics, practicality, and cost, so most nutrition science falls back on inference.
  • Mechanistic papers give a proposed pathway and then convert it into cause and effect even though the pathway is not tested in humans.
  • Epidemiology and cohort work are retrospective associations for one group under one context, not personal risk calculations for everyone else.
  • Conflict of interest matters because science is expensive, funders matter, and researchers rarely bite the hand that feeds them.
  • The European LDL and heart-disease consensus panel is an example of researchers aligning with their funding source.
  • Consensus is sociology, not science; empirical indication matters more than the most popular expert opinion.
  • Climate narratives attached to meat and nutrition are often virtue signaling or grant-friendly storytelling, not nutrition science.

Protein, fat, carbohydrate, and energy:

  • After the methods critique, the nutrition rules come from twenty-plus years of research, publishing, clients, clinical practice, and mistakes.
  • For the average person, protein intake belongs around 2 to 2.5 g per kg of lean body mass.
  • Athletes, including hypertrophy athletes, do not need much more protein because daily or weekly muscle gain is small.
  • The best protein source is animal muscle meat because the literature points to higher bioavailability than plant protein.
  • The best fats are animal fats because evolution and adaptation point toward animal fat as the normal human energy source.
  • Once carbohydrates are removed for a while, appetite can guide fat intake.
  • Dietary carbohydrate requirement is zero grams because gluconeogenesis supplies glucose and ketosis works as an energetic signal.
  • Homeostasis keeps the internal environment stable across changing conditions.

Common nutrition mistakes:

  • Seed oils are not heart healthy; they are high in deuterium, feed inflammatory LOX and COX pathways, and oxidize into damaging compounds such as aldehydes.
  • Grains are unnecessary because there is no grain deficiency, and grains contain plant irritants, toxins, and antinutrients.
  • Fiber is unnecessary and may be a gut-function problem, not a gut-health requirement.
  • The Paul Mason fiber example points to an N = 62 or 63 study where fiber was associated with worse gut function.
  • Short-chain fatty acids do not require fiber because ketones and butter can supply that role.
  • Phytonutrients are a marketing term, not a human physiological requirement, because there is no phytonutrient deficiency.
  • Fruit is unnecessary because there is no fruit deficiency, fiber remains a problem, and fructose can impair liver energy status and promote fatty liver.
  • Processed food should be avoided, especially products with long ingredient panels in the middle aisles of supermarkets.

Final diet rule:

  • The solution is a species-appropriate, species-specific diet built from genetics, anthropology, and human adaptation.
  • The diet is almost entirely muscle meat and associated fat, mainly from ruminant animals, not organs.

References

  • [03:36] Low-density lipoproteins cause atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. 1. Evidence from genetic, epidemiologic, and clinical studies. A consensus statement from the European Atherosclerosis Society Consensus Panel — https://doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehx144
  • [10:12] Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms — https://doi.org/10.3748/wjg.v18.i33.4593
 

The low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet (LCKD), developed a century ago to treat epilepsy, is now commonly used as a therapeutic intervention for obesity, type 2 diabetes and other conditions associated with insulin resistance. A growing body of literature supports the use of LCKDs for conditions associated with autoimmunity and inflammation. Here we present the case report of a 61-year-old man diagnosed with palindromic rheumatism (PR) – often a precursor to rheumatoid arthritis – whose condition was considered to be in remission after he adopted an LCKD and subsequently transitioned to an even lower-carbohydrate ‘carnivore’ diet. The patient was able to discontinue all arthritis-related medications, and currently, 7 years after initially starting the LCKD, he continues to follow a carnivore diet and reports no daily pain while remaining active in endeavours that require manual dexterity, such as woodworking and playing the guitar. Through anti-inflammatory effects and the removal of dietary irritants, dietary carbohydrate restriction may have potential therapeutic benefits for PR, a condition for which effective treatments and disease-modifying strategies remain elusive.

Full Text - https://doi.org/10.4102/jmh.v9i1.123

 

Professor Bikman explores the significance of uric acid, particularly its impact on insulin resistance, a critical metabolic marker.

He begins by defining uric acid as a byproduct of purine metabolism, which usually gets expelled through the kidneys into the urine. However, when uric acid production exceeds its excretion, it accumulates in the blood, leading to hyperuricemia. This condition can cause uric acid to crystallize, often in joints, resulting in gout. Uric acid can also form kidney stones and contribute to inflammation, which is connected to insulin resistance.

Dr. Bikman delves into the biochemistry of purines and their breakdown into uric acid. He emphasizes that the excessive accumulation of uric acid in the blood is detrimental, as it activates inflammation pathways such as the NLRP3 inflammasome. This systemic inflammation triggers the production of ceramides, lipids that directly antagonize insulin signaling, causing insulin resistance. The prevalence of insulin resistance is a growing health concern, linked to chronic diseases and exacerbated by high uric acid levels.

A significant portion of the lecture is dedicated to the relationship between fructose consumption and uric acid production. Ben explains that the liver metabolizes fructose into uric acid through a series of biochemical steps, bypassing regulatory mechanisms that usually limit glucose metabolism. This unregulated fructose metabolism leads to a high production of uric acid, contributing to its accumulation in the blood. The increase in fructose consumption, rather than purine-rich foods like red meat and seafood, is implicated in the rising rates of gout and uric acid-related metabolic issues.

In addressing solutions, Dr. Bikman highlights pharmacological interventions like allopurinol, which reduces uric acid levels and improves metabolic health, albeit with potential side effects. He also discusses allulose, a rare sugar that shows promise in lowering uric acid and improving metabolic outcomes. Preliminary research suggests that allulose can reduce uric acid levels by enhancing its excretion through urine.

Additionally, Ben touches on the ketogenic diet, noting that despite potentially increasing uric acid levels, it effectively reduces inflammation and improves insulin sensitivity due to the anti-inflammatory effects of ketones.

Dr. Bikman concludes by stressing the importance of understanding uric acid’s role in metabolic health and its connection to insulin resistance. He encourages further research and practical dietary interventions to manage uric acid levels effectively. By integrating pharmacological, nutritional, and lifestyle approaches, individuals can potentially mitigate the adverse effects of high uric acid and improve overall metabolic health.

summerizerOpening scope

  • Uric acid connects a common clinical lab marker to insulin resistance, inflammation, gout, kidney stones, and diet.
  • The classroom question is what uric acid is, where it comes from, why it matters metabolically, and what can be done about it.
  • The focus stays on metabolism because insulin resistance remains the primary chronic-disease marker in this account. Uric acid basics
  • Uric acid is generally a byproduct of purine metabolism.
  • Purines are nitrogenous bases with nitrogen chemistry and two chemical rings.
  • Purines are used in nucleic acids such as DNA and RNA, so they are part of the genetic machinery of cells.
  • Molecules have life cycles, and purine breakdown ultimately leaves uric acid as a waste product.
  • Uric acid normally dissolves in plasma, moves through the blood, and is actively cleared by the kidneys into urine.
  • Hyperuricemia means high uric acid in the blood; hyper means elevated, and emia means in the blood.
  • Hyperuricemia can happen when uric-acid production is too high or renal excretion is too weak. Crystals, gout, stones, and vessels
  • When blood uric acid rises high enough, dissolved uric acid can come together and crystallize.
  • Uric-acid crystals are jagged clumps that often form in joints and cause gout pain.
  • Higher uric acid in urine can also create uric-acid kidney stones built on the same crystal matrix.
  • Crystals can also form in blood and irritate blood vessels, even though blood vessels do not create the same pain sensation as joints.
  • Crystal formation depends on uric-acid concentration, cooler temperature, and blood pH.
  • Cooler hands may be more vulnerable because peripheral tissue can be cooler than the body core.

Metabolic disease lens

  • Uric acid is a metabolic problem, not only a gout problem.
  • This disease model separates primary causes of insulin resistance from secondary causes of insulin resistance.
  • Primary causes include chronically elevated insulin, stress, and inflammation.
  • Uric acid is a secondary cause because its insulin-resistance effect depends on the primary variable of inflammation.
  • Elevated uric acid can make isolated cells insulin resistant, can make animals insulin resistant, and can make humans insulin resistant.
  • The bridge from uric acid to insulin resistance is inflammation and then ceramide accumulation.
  • Ceramides are bioactive sphingolipids that can antagonize the insulin signal inside cells.
  • When ceramides accumulate, the cell becomes less responsive to insulin. Inflammation pathway
  • Uric acid increases systemic inflammation, not merely local inflammation from a wound or infection.
  • Uric acid activates the NLRP3 inflammasome, which functions like a central switch for many inflammatory circuits.
  • Turning on NLRP3 turns on many downstream inflammatory signals.
  • The 2014 Zhu/Hu study found that high uric acid rapidly induced insulin resistance in connection with a substantial inflammatory burden.
  • The key sequence is uric acid, inflammation, ceramide accumulation, and insulin resistance.
  • If inflammation is blocked, uric acid does not cause the same insulin resistance.
  • Unpublished work is meant to solidify this sequence with additional experimental results. Purine source pathway
  • The conventional explanation begins with purine-rich foods.
  • Red meat, seafood, and fish are commonly blamed because they tend to carry higher purine loads.
  • When excess purines are broken down, they produce xanthine.
  • Xanthine is acted on by its enzyme and becomes uric acid.
  • This pathway can happen, but it is not the most important modern explanation in this account.

Fructose source pathway

  • Fructose is the more important driver because gout has risen while red meat has generally fallen and fish intake has remained low.
  • Fructose intake has risen for decades, giving a stronger dietary trend match for rising gout.
  • Fructose is absorbed in the intestine, enters the body, and goes mainly to the liver.
  • The liver is suited to fructose handling because it has relevant transporters and enzymes.
  • Glucose metabolism is heavily regulated by the energetic condition of the cell.
  • Phosphofructokinase is a key regulatory step in glucose burning.
  • Fructose bypasses phosphofructokinase, so liver cells can burn fructose at a much higher, less regulated rate.
  • Fructokinase, also called ketohexokinase, converts fructose into fructose-1-phosphate.
  • That phosphorylation uses ATP, turning ATP into ADP.
  • Heavy fructose metabolism keeps consuming ATP because the liver has little ability to slow fructose burning.
  • Rebuilding ATP under that load creates more AMP.
  • AMP then moves through steps that create xanthine and then uric acid.
  • This makes fructose a direct route to liver uric-acid production.
  • Fruit juice, sugar, and high-fructose corn syrup can all raise uric acid through this hepatic fructose pathway. Johnson books and obesity link
  • Rick Johnson's work connects fructose, uric acid, hunger, and long-term obesity.
  • The Fat Switch and Nature Wants Us to Be Fat are the two books named for that broader model.
  • The model is that accumulating uric acid helps drive hunger and can contribute to obesity over time.

Allopurinol

  • Allopurinol is the common pharmacological option named for lowering uric acid.
  • Lowering uric acid with allopurinol improves gout and may improve metabolic health.
  • The 2015 Madero clinical trial used allopurinol in overweight, prehypertensive subjects.
  • The study found reductions in uric acid and improvements in metabolic health, including weight loss and insulin sensitivity.
  • The study also used a low-fructose diet, so the diet confounds the allopurinol effect.
  • No allopurinol-only intervention without another simultaneous intervention was found in this account.
  • Clinical-team observations connect allopurinol with some weight loss and better insulin-resistance markers.
  • Allopurinol can have skin, gastrointestinal, liver, and kidney side effects.

Allulose

  • Allulose is a rare sugar and a promising way to lower uric acid in this account.
  • Human and rodent work links allulose to improved metabolic outcomes.
  • Unpublished animal work used a Western diet group and an allulose-in-drinking-water group.
  • The allulose animals gained much less weight, ate less, and had more satiety.
  • Uric acid may be one of the key changes behind those metabolic effects.
  • Anecdotally, higher allulose intake coincided with uric acid dropping below the normal range in his own blood tests.
  • Similar anecdotal drops occurred in people with persistent high uric acid after dietary improvement.
  • Allulose is structurally close to fructose but different enough that it is not metabolized the same way.
  • Allulose may compete with fructose for intestinal absorption pathways.
  • If allulose competes with fructose at the gut, less fructose enters the body and less fructose has to be metabolized by the liver.
  • Because allulose is not burned as fuel, its main exit is through urine.
  • Rick Johnson's hypothesis is that allulose may enhance kidney removal of uric acid from blood into urine.

Ketogenic diet context

  • The ketogenic diet is low in fructose but often high in meat, red meat, and fish.
  • Those animal foods can be high in purines, so ketogenic eating can raise purine metabolism.
  • Published ketogenic-diet studies show uric acid can stay high or climb after keto adoption.
  • The concern is how that can coexist with improved insulin sensitivity on ketogenic diets.
  • Ketogenic diets are calorie-for-calorie strong tools for insulin sensitivity and weight loss.
  • Ketogenic-diet studies also show reductions in inflammatory signals such as C-reactive protein.
  • In unpublished cell-culture work with Rick Johnson, uric acid raised inflammation and insulin resistance.
  • Adding an anti-inflammatory agent improved the insulin-resistance response.
  • Adding a ceramide-production inhibitor preserved insulin sensitivity.
  • The cell-culture pathway matched the earlier sequence: uric acid, inflammation, ceramides, and insulin resistance.
  • Ketones inhibit the NLRP3 inflammasome.
  • Ketosis may therefore blunt the inflammatory consequences of uric acid, even when uric acid is higher.
  • Ketogenic diets may also raise uric acid because ketone excretion competes with uric-acid excretion in the kidney.
  • More ketones in blood may mean uric acid molecules wait longer for renal clearance.
  • The 1965 Lecocq and McPhaul study is used for this kidney-excretion competition explanation.

Bottom line

  • Uric acid matters because it can crystallize into painful gout, contribute to kidney stones, and activate inflammation.
  • The metabolic concern is not only uric acid level, but whether uric acid drives inflammation strongly enough to impair insulin signaling.
  • Fructose is the major dietary target in this explanation because of its liver ATP drain and AMP-to-uric-acid pathway.
  • Allopurinol, allulose, lower fructose intake, and ketosis each fit into the uric-acid picture through different mechanisms.

References

 

Just fun to browse whats going on globally.

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Currently western adults get 70% of their calories from plant sources (this is the Standard western diet) - https://doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2024.1424912

This means the average person is plant based already (or a hyper-herbivore since its >=70%).

This replacement of animal nutrition with plant nutrition has been going on since the dawn of civilization but it really exploded with the replacement of dietary fat with seed oils.

https://doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2021.748847

This makes carnivore scary to people, they have only lived a plant based lifestyle. I think it's silly to blame modern metabolic dysfunction on the remaining 30% of animal nutrition in the diet.

As much as I would like to blame Ellen G White for this , it's far more likely this is simple capitalism at work - have a product, find a market, expand the market.

If someone you know is having a serious problem in metabolism or inflammation - it would be reasonable to encourage them to try a new eating pattern (reduce that 70% pbf), instead of chasing away the last 30% abf. If your sick, just know you have already tried pbf.... you might as well give carnivore a 30 day trial and see if you improve.

 

This is how a literature review and critique is done, just talking about the power, scope, and gaps in data. No name calling, just a discussion of what data is available.

TLDW - a MD makes a pro-seed oil video, and Westman goes over the strength and applicability of their evidence to a ketogenic population, intermediate markers, and confounders.

Seed-oils are a problem, but they are less impactful than hyperi-insulinemia - So if you can only fix one, fix the carbohydrate intake.

Seed oils have become one of the most controversial topics in nutrition, with people online calling them toxic, inflammatory, and one of the biggest drivers of modern disease. In this video, Dr. Eric Westman reacts to Dr. Brad Stanfield’s evidence-based breakdown of the seed oil debate and examines whether the science actually supports the fear. The discussion covers where the anti-seed oil concerns came from, including the history of replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fats, the omega-3 to omega-6 ratio, heating seed oils, oxidation, trans fats, and the role of processed food. Dr. Westman also explains why this debate can be confusing in the context of low-carb and keto metabolism, where the effects of carbohydrates, glucose, insulin, and metabolic syndrome may matter far more than many people realize. This is a nuanced discussion on butter, margarine, seed oils, inflammation, heart disease risk, and what the clinical relevance of all this may actually be in the real world. If you’ve been wondering whether seed oils are truly dangerous or whether the internet has overblown the issue, this video will help you think through the evidence more clearly.

summerizerSeed oils and the real target

  • The video starts with the question of whether internet warnings about seed oils being toxic, inflammatory, and terrible for health are wrong.
  • Seed oils are common cooking and processed-food fats from soybean, corn, sunflower, and similar seeds; olive oil is separate because it comes from fruit.
  • Westman agrees that seed oils are overrated as a proven problem, because clinical trials have not nailed down seed oils as an independent risk.
  • The practical problem is ultra-processed food, takeaway food, repeated high-heat frying, and carb-heavy junk food. Historical shift from saturated fat to seed oils
  • The low-fat era pushed people away from butter, lard, and animal fats and toward margarine, seed oils, and higher-carbohydrate foods.
  • That shift followed weak science against saturated fat and helped build the processed-food environment that came with obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.
  • Stanfield stays closer to the old saturated-fat paradigm, where moving away from saturated fat is tied to heart-health improvement.
  • Westman's view is that insulin resistance, glucose, insulin, metabolic syndrome, and type 2 diabetes matter more than saturated fat in food. Omega-3, omega-6, and inflammation
  • Linoleic acid is an essential omega-6 fat, so the issue cannot be simplified into omega-6 is bad and omega-3 is good.
  • The omega-3 to omega-6 ratio made sense to Westman historically, especially through low-carb teaching about membranes and inflammation.
  • Test-tube and animal mechanisms can look plausible, but the clinical question is whether they matter in humans eating real diets.
  • The ratio concern is often an omega-3 intake problem, not proof that normal omega-6 intake causes widespread inflammation. Human trials, clinical relevance, and low-carb metabolism
  • Stanfield cites a 10-week randomized trial where obese participants eating more omega-6 seed oils had less liver fat, lower inflammation, and lower insulin than the saturated-fat group.
  • Stanfield also cites a 2017 meta-analysis of 30 randomized trials finding no meaningful increase in inflammatory markers from higher linoleic acid intake.
  • Population evidence is used to connect higher linoleic acid intake with lower diabetes and heart-disease risk.
  • Westman handles those findings cautiously because most trials study carbohydrate eaters, not people in low-carb, keto, or carnivore-like metabolism.
  • Low-carb metabolism changes fat handling; Phinney, Volek, and Forsythe showed that higher-fat low-carb diets can have lower circulating fat markers than lower-fat high-carb diets.
  • The Cochrane saturated-fat review shows a cardiovascular-event reduction, but the absolute effect is not huge and the subjects were generally carbohydrate eaters.
  • Books by Gary Taubes and Nina Teicholz lay out the weak saturated-fat and LDL case that belongs to the old paradigm. Heating seed oils, trans fats, and oxidation
  • Early hydrogenated margarines created trans fats and added confusion to the seed-oil and heart-health story.
  • Westman does not accept that the trans-fat association was as large as the public story made it, and he still rejects the saturated-fat avoidance logic behind it.
  • A 2022 meta-analysis found that heating oils below 200°C did not create meaningful trans fats, while very high or prolonged heating did.
  • A sunflower-oil heating study found only small oxidation changes, while repeatedly heated oil in a fryer-like setting increased inflammatory markers.
  • The everyday concern is not fresh seed oil on a salad; it is repeatedly heated oil inside fries, takeaways, and processed foods. Final practical view
  • Westman agrees with Stanfield that seed oils are not a proven central risk and that cutting junk food is a good move.
  • Westman disagrees with Stanfield that moving away from saturated fat is strongly supported for everyone, especially in low-carb metabolism.
  • In Westman's clinical lens, glucose, insulin, A1C, type 2 diabetes, and metabolic syndrome are more measurable and more powerful than seed-oil tracking.
  • When patients reverse very high A1C with food changes while eating more saturated fat and without targeting seed oils, seed-oil avoidance cannot be the main explanation.
  • More follow-up and published results are still needed, and people with success should share outcomes from the metabolic approach.

References

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It's nice to see a maker get into the zone.

The failures, relentless cursing, but overcoming it is what makes this feel so real.

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