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It's marginal gains all the way here but genuinely if you're an omnivore the E-Bike might work out more enviromentally conscious

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[–] prole@hexbear.net 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

Can someone explain how an e-bike is better than a regular bike?

They're basically the same thing, but one has a battery and requires charging (burning fossil fuels in most places) and the other doesn't. E-bike almost certainly requires a replacement battery way before a regular bike would ever need to be replaced.

Is it like...the person on a regular bike breathing more heavily and needing more calories? Surely this adds up over time, but is it really worse than mining lithium and charging using fossil fuels?

Edit: I found a very detailed article on this. Reading it now, but I think my guess about calories is correct based on this table table comparing e-bike and conventional bike emissions

https://www.bikeradar.com/features/long-reads/cycling-environmental-impact

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 47 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

yeah nailed it. vegan acoustic biker clears every other mode of transport but otherwise burning a lot of oil might net you more energy than converting meat, cheese and eggs through a human.

[–] prole@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The only thing that just seems wrong is the manufacturing emissions of e-bike versus analog bike. E-bikes weigh more, so shipping them around has more emissions as well. I think it's probably very close, but like you said, it depends a lot on what the food is too..

Idk, I rarely trust emission numbers because a lot of companies fake that shit in various ways and many of the numbers are self reported.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

E-bikes weigh more, so shipping them around has more emissions as well.

I don't mean to attack you but there's a point to be made here as per the slavery conditions battery ressource miners minors are subjected to but like a shipping crate full of batteries ain't it. Like look it up, the "shipping" part of most goods is like in the cents regions because a container ship is pretty damn efficient.

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[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

God, this comment goes so hard. "Vegan acoustic biker" fuck me, that's a hell of a username.

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

fuck the cArBoN fOoTpRiNt narrative to begin with and kill some BP executives in self-defense instead; but in addition to food calories stats like this should include "but are you actually using it though?" like how the "failure rate" of condoms as a bc method includes forgetting the condom.

a push bike you ride less often because of time, wind, hills, or workplace hygiene isn't better than an e-bike that replaces more car trips

[–] Umechan@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago

I think it is most likely assuming people are going to be consuming extra calories. I'm sure most people have enough calories already.

[–] tim_curry@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am a machine that converts beans into food related emissions.

You could argue that the increased energy burn from cycling is offset by not needing exercise elsewhere. Cos like people gotta exercise but if your transport is exercising then two birds one stone right? If you use an ebike and go to gym after that isn’t saving on my fart related emissions

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

I have a pretty hard time buying the claim that breathing is more than twice as impactful as producing a lithium ion battery and my job is literally calculating emissions.

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe they're including the extra laundry and showers from getting all sweaty? Or does manufacturing Lycra use a lot of fossil fuels? thinkin-lenin

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[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it probably accounts for "likelihood of use within a distance" where the average person is likely to use an E-Bike for a 30 minutes ride but not a bike. So the regular bike only decreases your impact within a like 15 minute radius of travel.

So as an individual it would always be best to stretch the distances you go as far as possible with the least consuming mode, but as a population, the E-Bike prevents more driving/bus riding/ horse riding (?) than a bike does.

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[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

For me, it was a couple things:

  1. it made hills way easier
  2. it tripled the range I would normally have the time or willingness to go for any given trip

I simply do more with it than I used to when I just had a regular bike.

Regular bikes are definitely not obsolete or anything. In an area where it's quite flat and there's a lot of density and transit options, I think a regular bike is a better option. And ebikes are very heavy, so they're not really an option if you're in an apartment and have to carry it up and down stairs every day.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

These kinds of system analyses are extremely sensitive to system boundary definitions. As mentioned in another comment, the only things they accounted for were "food", charging electricity, and manufacturing. You burn more calories when cycling so they put in some estimate of the carbon footprint of diet.

Of course, they didn't know what cyclists eat so it's just some average cribbed from some other system analysis. If you're a Bean Head then the number will be much lower. Same for if you fuel with sugar when riding or just do vegan protein powder, etc.

But more importantly they didn't factor in what it means to regularly exercise that much. If a person is doing that they are going to improve their overall health substantially, live a better life, use healthcare less, and so on. No carbon footprint info was calculated for this because of the system boundaries, but of course all of these things are connected. By the logic of this system, the best form of transportation is sitting on the couch.

[–] bettyschwing@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Miles per square metre” fucking hell. Even when Americans try to do metric instead of football fields per Big Mac or whatever they normally do they still manage to fuck it up.

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[–] bettyschwing@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] bettyschwing@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Another argument is the land use associated with producing those calories (electrical or edible). The two images above are from the book "There is No Planet B" by Mike Berners-Lee

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[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 50 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)
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[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They should have run the numbers on vegan-v riding an acoustic bike. I'd be curious to see what the formula says in that specific case.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

there's a german blogpost I cant be arsed to translate but it does come out on top of everything, including walking

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But what about a vegan-v riding an ebike that's charged solely by renewable energy?

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[–] dragongloss@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

I don't have anywhere to store it and if I leave it outside it is definitely getting stolen.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I have an ebike and anecdotally I've had to change out the tires more often than my normal pedal bike, at least twice as often. Meaning the ebike pollutes more in regards to making more waste tires. Used tires are a huge carbon footprint that often gets overlooked.

The ebike gets more tire replacements because I ride it both longer and faster than the pedal bike, so more wear on the treads. Both my bikes are carbon belt driven too, but if I had normal chain bikes I'd guess the ebike would need its chain lubricated or replaced more often.

Don't get me wrong I love my bikes and they're the only nice things I own besides my cats. But there's a lot to consider here.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago

I'll point toward my infographic here to show that the squabble between increased tyre consumption between E-Bikes and Acoustic bikes is akin to considering whether oat or wheat gruel is more ecologically sustainable while the majority of your peers sustain a diet of wagyu

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It sounds like you're just putting the kilometers on the tires at different rates. Likely, if they're identical tires, you're getting close to the same distances out of them. The difference between them would be that the ebike is slightly heavier and it has more power to the wheel. So there is more scrubbing. But I don't expect it would be much more, because you're also probably running higher air pressure in the ebike tires.

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[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

the logic behind it is similar to why a horse is worse than a bus

A bus is a horse with a battery strapped to it theory-gary

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

at least make it a horse pulled wagon, cmon

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[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

wrong, the ebike will not give me glorious quads like a real bike would

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

you can put olympic sprinter level power down on an e-bike to get massive ass. It kind of begs the question as to why you'd get an e-bike in the first place but you could

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm very strong on a bike but I'm considering converting one of my old bikes to an e-bike so that I can ditch my car on trips where I can't just go ham all the time. Like any time I can't arrive somewhere dripping in sweat or wearing mostly spandex.

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[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

how's that work over a regular bike?

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[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Having an ebike also means you can make longer journeys no matter what. If you triple your range, that's a lot more trips that you can replace the car.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Doesn't the battery cancel out the positive environmental effects of being low-carbon? Batteries are pretty bad for the environment once disposed of, usually, IIRC.

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like it's a mistake to consider human physical activity an energy cost tbh. I'm seeing this logic more and more in the wild — particularly wrt comparisons with LLMs — and... I mean it's kind of insanely evil, isn't it

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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

TIL skipping the gym is good for the environment.

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[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Is the train electric or diesel? Are the buses electric? If so are they battery electric or are they trolley buses powered by overhead wires? Is this in a place powered by fossil fuels or hydro/solar/wind? What about trams? Or ferries? Or someone who tends their own garden and walks?

How dare this advertisement masquerading as information mislead us so!

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

i'm genuinely blown away by how much range they can get with a small battery pack

you could strap a few spares onto the bike and fill your backpack up and go like 1000 miles. even easier if you stay on power assist level 1 or 2.

this must be some breakthrough level where the energy density of li-ion batteries being so much less then gasoline is canceled out by the human muscle power combined with how light a bike + motor is.

i mean no old school moped is going to take you 1000 miles with a gallon of gas in a backpack. or maybe? either way i would rather deal with a simple electric motor then an annoying 2 stroke

but yeah rented some with my partner in the spring and rode a rail trail and it was the most fun we've had in years. it's the closest to a powered exoskeleton i've ever experienced. a family member is about to get rid of their cargo e bike and i may be able to get it for free soon.

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[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Does the emission calculation for the train and bus take into account that these modes of transportation usually transport more than one person at a time?

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

I have not looked into the specifics of this shitpost but how otherwise would a bus fare better than a regular car

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