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It's marginal gains all the way here but genuinely if you're an omnivore the E-Bike might work out more enviromentally conscious

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[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 50 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is the correct answer. Urban areas should have a diameter of about 3 miles so you can walk from any point to any other in about 1 hr

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why would i walk for a whole damn hour when i could bike for 10 minutes and have my joints not hurt?

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you.

However, most of the time, you wouldn't need to walk a full hour. Those are the furthest points in the urban landscape I'm imagining.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

we already have the idea of 15 minute cities, we shouldn't downgrade to 60 minutes.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But "15 minute cities" are not "cities that can be wholly walked in 15 minutes," they're cities where everything you need for day to day living is within 15 minutes. It's fine if you have to walk an hour to see like a specialist doctor or to some concert venue or something since you're not doing that every day. If your grocery store is more than 15 minutes walking though, that's an issue.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's fine if you have to walk an hour to see like a specialist doctor

yikes

if your grocery store is more than 15 minutes walking though, that's an issue.

15 minutes to get to a grocery store is probably too much tbh

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The grocery store should be built into the ground level of your building and they should send your groceries up to you with pnuematic tubes.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

hell, instead of walking or biking or riding the bus we should just hop in a tube

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's not that people are expected to walk an hour to see a specialist doctor but that the city is still considered walkable even if you have to drive/use public transport on rare occasions like seeing the specialist doctor twice a year or whatever.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah that's actually important, making people walk for like 15 minutes is very important for overall health. People need to walk, a frictionless existence is horrible.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

my knees are fucked up, if i was never obligated to walk that would be cool and reduce my suffering

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Historically, urban areas tend to develop around the distance people can travel in a hour.

I'm referencing that pattern of development and stating that we should set the scale to the distance someone can walk in an hour, the slowest form of transportation, rather that privileging faster forms of transportation.

As you already pointed out, for other modes this would be better than a 15 minute city

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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