tankies offer them a sense of community
You know what's an even bigger community? The hegemonic ideology of liberal imperialism. It's literally the biggest community in the (Western) world.
For posting all the anonymous reactionary bullshit that you can't post anywhere else.
Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.
Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.
Rule 3: No sectarianism.
Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome
Rule 5: No bigotry of any kind, including ironic bigotry.
Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.
Rule 7: Do not individually target other instances' admins or moderators.
Rule 8: Do not post public figures, these should be posted to c/El Chisme
tankies offer them a sense of community
You know what's an even bigger community? The hegemonic ideology of liberal imperialism. It's literally the biggest community in the (Western) world.
I was just thinking the same thing. Wouldn't you get a bigger sense of community just taking up the liberal point of view that takes up, I don't know, the entire mainstream media and rest of the freaking internet, including most of Lemmy, has?
No, it's just some people like to read up on real facts and can't delude themselves when they compare those facts with what their eyes and ears show them is happening in Gaza.
It's not like this is an easy community to be a part of either. There's a lot of history and "advanced struggle sessions" that an average Internet user is not going to be able to partake in at all without months of lurking the site and consuming off-site materials (theory etc)
The FBI complaining that infiltrating communists is hard because they make you read
The size of that community is counter-intuitive. Liberalism, as the ideology of a system that atomises society, validates any attempt at fracturing communities. This is one reason why they're in love with quintillions of ideological labels to describe people's inclinations just right. The result is that person A feeling B's 3% titanium tax goes too far and B feeling A's 3% titanium tax doesn't go far enough won't feel in a community together.
It's bigger and more widespread, but I think maybe that comment contains an admission: hegemonic liberalism sure doesn't feel like a community
using the word tankie at all is such an online thing i get second hand embarrassment
I was warned at a DSA event 8 years ago to "watch out for tankies." Communist Caucus member
Lmao what dot hey think they're going to do? Say something that person disagrees with?
Watch out!?!? I guess
Hilarious that you don't have to "watch out" for liberal bs though
I have literally never heard it used in real life. Seems like a terminally online younger Gen Z thing.
I've been called tankie by a Trot and in that particular context, okay, fair.
you can't deny the Uighur genocide, it would have to exist for it to be something a person can deny
Yeah, I don't get the point of this post
Basically libs have a deep desire to love capital and therefore can never admit china might be something's alright or better than the west. So they need to couch their lament in "well china has its own genocide too!" China cannot be allowed to be the good guy, because we the west must be the good guys or else everything they've learned would be wrong and the cognitive dissonance would shatter their feeble little minds.
It looks like OP quoted something a liberal bozo said in the title, but didn't indicate it was a quote. I was confused at first too.
I don't actually see a problem with this statement. I myself have said that describing it as a pretty heavy handed crackdown is fair in the past as opposed to a "genocide". They most certainly did carry out excesses too.
What matters is whether you recognise that's better than the western approach to extremism spreading within muslim communities - killing or indefinitely detaining them. China's model for handling this extremism was clearly better.
Not even. They only put people in those deradicalization centers who were caught consuming extremist materials. It's not like they discriminated against all Uyghurs. They did the opposite really, they censored the media so the rest of the population wouldn't harrass them for all the terrorist acts commited by people of Uyghur descent. Xinhua (now New China TV on youtube) has interviews of people who graduated from these internment centers.
And for anyone that hasn't seen it, here's a former colonel admitting to the CIA funding terrorism in China https://youtu.be/91wz5syVNZs?t=1342
People can still think that action you described is a "heavy handed crackdown", at that point it's an opinion up for discussion/debate. I certainly hope the topic was debated thoroughly internally to the CCP instead of making a rash decision.
i wonder if it's like Y2K prep or a pandemic and you're supposed to look like you over-reacted because you actually prevented what you were trying to prevent.
not to excuse any specific things, just the character of the criticism especially with the baseline lib take on china.
Is this a change of tune for the dbzer0 admins, or has this always been their stance? It's remarkably fair considering the source, even if it isn't correct.
Big change of tune
That's what I thought, makes sense though. The mods have been friendly with me as of late.
From what I can tell, you've been putting in the work out on the federated side
Thanks! That's actually why it's kinda surprising to see the dbzer0 mod team soften their views on Marxists, I try to leave dbzer0 alone but have gotten into arguments with the admins before.
Speaking from experience, nothing makes a budding leftist seriously investigate the facts of Marxism like being cast out and designated a communist enemy by others. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we'll see an accelerated realignment now that db0 is officially part of the...uh, tankie quad bike. Like it or not, they're with us now.
I always said it was only a matter of time before the social fascists that call MWoG their home would turn on even dbzer0. It’s the classic Nazi bar, they outright fabricate info, erase context, welcome Zionists and other fascists, it was only a matter of time before they got even greedier and started attacking anarchists for being “tankies.”
It’s not a coincidence that they call us “roaches” or “d-s,” it’s because it’s a cryptofash meeting spot.
Oh lemmydotworld, never change. Your liberalism is a hell of a show.
Dotworld, if you hate the idea of online communities so much, you're free to stop existing at any time. You're the biggest Lemmy instance after all, I'm sure it would show quite the example.
I will always resent .world showing up out of the blue and acting like the America of the fediverse
if the cowards hadn't defederated from us, preemptively as a last resort, the posting would have been glorious.
Goddamn, we got .world, .db0, MeanwhileOnGrad, and tankijerk all at once? That's some quality slop right there.
The slop trough really has been running over
The news media said it's real. Left-liberals believe the news.
It's as simple as that.
Nothing you say or share — no matter how compelling — can change their minds (unless their faith in imperialist media is shaken).
Most liberals have never had their beliefs tested - really tested - because the entire dominant power structure is built to insulate them from meaningful critique. It's why their denunciations of communism are either incredibly ignorant of basic facts or outright word salad.
I’ve seen multiple dbzer0 users, including two admins, do complete 180s on tankie bullshit
People can learn when they listen.
Edit: I just read the screenshot. They didn't even do a 180. They said China was being "authoritarian" to the Uyghurs. All they said was that Israel is doing worse.
this is what happens when the “we can be mad about two things (but only ever complain about one of those things)” crowd is forced to engage with the other thing i guess
They said China was being "authoritarian" to the Uyghurs
if i was trying to be maximally charitable to the meaningless buzzword, the UN report is pretty bad... until you remember the superior western alternative these worlders prefer, is mass murder of civilians in unrelated countries. and that's without getting into any police state shit.
What are the chances that any of those people have ever talked to an actual Uyghur living in Xinjiang and gotten their thoughts and perspectives on the matter? I mean, I know liberals would rather tokenize them for their own ghoulish agendas than to actually listen to a minority and treat them as equal individuals, but still.
Need to spread that famous uyghur dude in douyin that goes into omegle to make westerners look dumb
Nah, that guy's clearly a CCP agent brainwashed into spreading ebil COMMIE PROPAGANDA thank god Adrian Zenz and Radio Free Asia are both trustworthy sources /s
It's tiring to go over the evidence again and again, but if someone could post the master post for any lurkers that might be curious?
Adrian Zenz has struck again
lol
I popped in to read that thread and it's wall to wall people being called tankies for the most minor pushback. Something like "sure, fuck tankies, but surely we can all agree that what's happening in Palestine is clearly worse though" will be heavily downvoted with an essay reply from pugjesus. This is fantastic, I hope this keeps happening until there's nobody left in the in-group. If even a tenth of those people end up more amenable to socialist thought after the experience of being tossed outside the wire, the obsessive liberals will have done us a huge service. Like in every piece of dystopian fiction where people are banished from The City on suspicion of being sympathetic to Wasteland Rebel Group, only to end up a lot more sympathetic after being thrown into the wasteland themselves. Reminds me of that cliche about how we create our enemies, then they arrive.
I hope the most anticommunist power users never shut the fuck up about tankies, I hope they tell more ridiculous stories based on more and more tenuous connections that invite obvious critique, and i hope they get more paranoid and vindictive in response to that critique. I hope they fully depart reality and alienate every well-meaning liberal who has the temerity to question their urban legends about the scary cryptids who believe in human flourishing. I hope every one of them turns into Jack D. Ripper and triples down on tankie cockroaches rehtoric. I wish them all a very merry Detroit: Become Hitler and I'll be there with open arms and a big smile to greet the nice people they drive off.
I don't know why you're bothering to talk or recruit some of these people. At best, they're radlibs that have an outright hatred for everything we believe in and are completely mentally cracked by neoliberal paradigms or at worst they're literal Nazis in shepherd's clothing.
I get it, it's always important to bring more people into the fold. But I think you would literally have better success trying to recruit people at the grocery store or even a table at a park than on this libnest. There's no point in trying to defend any integrity and honor when they don't see any of it and consort with those that use literal fascist terms such as calling us "roaches" and dehumanizing us while championing the causes of the liberal hegemony that churns out scales of death far worse than anything they could convict the "Tankies" of or who we support in their fragile minds.
They are completely decided in commitment to the hegemony and I remember when I had opinions like theirs on "authoritarian leftism". It honestly took a friend who was into ML and some genuine criticisms debunked against nations like China or the DPRK. Mostly, it was that I understood that the west and it's hegemony has caused far more destruction and death to the human condition than any of the states they disparage for "statism" on a ivory pedestal made up of non-existent material examples (Or ones cut short by their own idealism).
America doesn't need you to love it, it just needs you to hate their enemies.
I think you would literally have better success trying to recruit people at the grocery store or even a table at a park
Go do that then.
I take the multiple people saying their mind was changed from this kind of posting at face value. Diversity of tactics is a good thing.