They’ve gotten very strange in the past year or so. I’ve seen multiple dbzer0 users, including two admins, do complete 180s on tankie bullshit, and it’s rather bizarre.

My best guess is that tankies offer them a sense of community, which is how many terminally online folk get drawn into it. People who have a deep desire for community will overlook moral issues if invited to be a part of that community, and even adopt, consciously or unconsciously, those positions in order to better ‘fit in’ with the community.

In a time when the real world is more recognizably hostile than ever, or at least for as long as most of us here have been alive (insofar as we are both aware of it and noting that it is backsliding rather than improving), online communities probably seem quite tempting to hew closer to.

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[–] coolusername@hexbear.net 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Not even. They only put people in those deradicalization centers who were caught consuming extremist materials. It's not like they discriminated against all Uyghurs. They did the opposite really, they censored the media so the rest of the population wouldn't harrass them for all the terrorist acts commited by people of Uyghur descent. Xinhua (now New China TV on youtube) has interviews of people who graduated from these internment centers.

And for anyone that hasn't seen it, here's a former colonel admitting to the CIA funding terrorism in China https://youtu.be/91wz5syVNZs?t=1342

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People can still think that action you described is a "heavy handed crackdown", at that point it's an opinion up for discussion/debate. I certainly hope the topic was debated thoroughly internally to the CCP instead of making a rash decision.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i wonder if it's like Y2K prep or a pandemic and you're supposed to look like you over-reacted because you actually prevented what you were trying to prevent.

not to excuse any specific things, just the character of the criticism especially with the baseline lib take on china.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'd say the ethnic cleansing of Tatars from Crimea following WW2 was an overreaction, but that too could be argued to be commensurate if we are just going by if it prevented what it was intended to prevent.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Iirc one of Tatar tribes in USSR send literally every able man to serve nazis during invasion, and there were Tatar divisions in SS being organised so it definitely weren't baseless suspicions.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And the Tatars that fought for the Red Army were also ethnically cleansed. This was a collective punishment against every single Crimean Tatar.

Would Israel be justified in ethnically cleansing Palestinians based on that Amin al-Husseini allied with the Nazis and said they had a common enemy in Jews and Communists?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I see you don't see the difference between "the suspicions weren't baseless" and "kill them all".

but that too could be argued to be commensurate if we are just going by if it prevented what it was intended to prevent.

In this case we could easily see what was prevented, nazi satellite states genociding Jews and Slavs until they weren't needed too, as i somehow cannot imagine victorious nazis counting Tatars as "Aryans". We are fortunate that it didn't come to fruition because nazis were pushed quickly out, but again this is the benefit of the hindsight, if you call in the Palestice comparison, i bet it would be different tale even here if someone invaded Israel at 8th October. I bet zionists would not be kissed on hands and given pats on the head.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The thing it was intended to prevent was further unrest in Crimea from the Crimean Tatars where many wanted national sovereignty (had been a thing since they were annexed by the Russian Empire in the 18th century). Them having goals of sovereignty made them an easy target for foreign powers (Something that the Russian Empire used prior to annexing Crimea in fact). Crimea was also a strategically important province (much as it is now) due to its location.

WW2 was over, and the Soviet Union was fine and dandy to allow the Tatars who fought with the partisans and fought in the red army continue to fight and die for the cause until the end of the war before ethnically cleansing them. If we are writing fanfiction where the Nazis spontaneously rise again from being completely crushed by the Soviets we may as well say that they could have invaded the Levant and would have had merry compradors that weren't considered Aryan in the least until it became convenient in order to weaken British power in the region at which point they became True Romans and Aryan.

Anyway, are you saying that it was justified or not? Because you're awfully defensive about the ethnic cleansing.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Especially considering the history of Tatars capturing and enslaving Russians

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

i think it's fairly obvious that we are not "just" that criterion

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

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