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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Story time:

I started taking my kid skiing when he was six, the drive is about 45 mins each way so after the second of third trip he asked me to tell him a story while in the car.

I started telling him all stories I knew but sooner than later ran out, so I started summarizing books and movies I had seen and at some point The Imitation Game came up.

My son was amazed how this man, through just intelligence and dedication was able to accomplish so much. The story stuck with him and a few days later he asked me, in front of his 4 year old sister, what award was given to Turing for such a big accomplishment.

Without thinking ahead, my sarcastic ass just blurted out, "well, the gov discovered he was gay and threw him in jail". To this, my son follows up with "what's gay?"

So I straightened my thoughts a bit not to fumble this one and said, in the most neutral tone I can muster, "usually boys like girls and girls like boys, but sometimes boys like boys and girls like girls, and that is called being gay"

My son think about this for like 5 seconds and then replies "that's not something to go to jail for!" and my daughter completes "jail is for people that are dangerous to other people"

Right then and there I knew we are definitely not born the horrible people we sometimes become... it is ALL taught and learned through life. The best shot I have to make a difference in the world is to not screw up my kids.

PS: ski story time had continued until today. I now have to read new books to tell while we go skiing or any other long road trip. I really love it and it had turned my kids into big readers... specially my daughter who has almost turned into The Paper

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 162 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Explanation: One of the key scientists in the construction of early codebreaking computers in WW2 was Alan Turing (yes, of Turing Test fame), a gay man. While it was not immediately after WW2, in the 1950s, he inadvertently admitted to a cop that he was homosexual when being interviewed about a burglary at his house (cops, even on the occasions they are useful, are NOT your friends). His key work in defeating the literal fucking Nazis was disregarded in favor of chemically castrating him after he pled guilty to the charge.

It is suspected that this was a major cause of his subsequent suspected suicide by biting into a cyanide-laced apple (though some still hold that the apple incident was an accident).

He lived and taught at the university in my city, Manchester and we have an Alan Turing way (a road) named after him.

This city remembers how he was wronged by the government.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 79 points 4 days ago

Let's also mention that Alan Turing was absolutely brilliant, mind bogglingly so.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

His story always angers me so much. Like, dude just wanted to live and do math, can't you fucking let him?

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

NO. He will do MATHS or nothing.

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

1+0 = ok

1+1 = straight to jail

He did the math. They did not let him :(

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago

With the exception of sums. He had a licence for those too.

At the time Turing (arguably) killed himself, the "Ultra" project was still a state secret that nobody publicly knew anything about. However, people like Churchill did know all about it and they knew exactly the magnitude of Turing's contribution to it, and yet they did nothing to defend Turing although they could have without revealing the Ultra secrets. Absolutely shameful.

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

disregarded in favor of chemically castrating him after he pled guilty to the charge.

Huh. Fucking awful, but like, why chemically castrate someone who's gay? They're unlikely to have kids (unless they're bi/pan/etc.), so like, why? On the off chance they did decide to have a kid, who would that affect. Were they afraid of spreading "The Gay™️" to their children via DNA? If anything they should've prayed and hoped his mental genius would pass onto his kids.

Fucking atrocious...

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Chemical castration uses drugs to suppress the libido.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago

The drugs for doing so at the time were also horrendous so it was absolutely life ruining

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 9 points 3 days ago

I'm not an expert, but I imagine it also fucks your sexdrive up so you're "cured" of the urges.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Wasn’t it more so that his work was still highly classified rather than actively disregarded? There were definitely those that could have intervened that didn’t though. Really shameful

[–] cuerdo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Allegedly also the Apple logo is derived from that.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Didn't it come from the Beatles? But the Turing story would be nicer.

[–] cuerdo@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I did some research and apparently it is a myth started long time ago.

According to the designer, the apple byte is there just to signify proportion.

About the Beatles, they simply share the name, it is Apple records, the have had several legal issues with that.

[–] DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I had heard the same, that the bite from the poisoned apple inspired the Apple logo, though it could be apochryphal.

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

It wasn't disregarded; it was never mentioned because it was still a state secret.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So WTF does queer mean?! Our man was simply gay, homosexual, we have words for that. That's a sincere question BTW. As an old cis guy, "queer" seems to mean whatever the fuck people want it to mean, seen a few definitions. Somebody help?

[–] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I personally use queer as a shorthand for lgbtqia+ because saying that in conversation is a bit unwieldy

Then the math breaks

Q = lgbtQia+

0 = - Q + lgbtQia

0 = -Q(lgbtia - 1)

So lgbtia = 1 or Q = 0

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[–] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Like the other person said, these days queer is usually used as a sort of catch-all for any one not cisgendered and straight, although sometimes people identify as simply queer if they don't feel they fit neatly in any of the predefined lgbt+ etc categories.

[–] smh@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

or even if they do fit neatly and they just don't want to explain their specifics (because it can be wicked burdensome/gets old/folks want you to justify your identity)

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Their apology is worth exactly the paper it's printed on, interesting.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 4 days ago

Well.. if the paper is worth what it says on it, then it's about 18 billion pound sterling in total for all the 50 notes printed.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm glad he's on money but something more often seen would have been better. Although with inflation the 50 might be the new 20

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I did not know they did this although to be honest I can't remember the last time I saw a bank of England note never mind a 50

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (6 children)

"The Immitation Game" is well worth a watch.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

As one historian remarked, WW2 happened, and Turing was alive and working on something at Bletchley at the time. Everything else in that film utter bollocks.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

Do you mean that a team in charge of reverse engineering didn't make the decisions on how the whole allied military should act after decrypting one message? Impossible!

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why would i watch an immitation when I could watch the original instead?

[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wait… did I just lose The Game?

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago

If you know to ask you lost long ago. :)

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

It's a horrific character assassination.

The only two things it gets right are: there was a second world war; Alan Turing worked at Bletchley.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And Cryptonomicon is well worth a read.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hell, yeah my friend recommended that to me after I told him I had just started snow crash and I was loving the fuck out of it

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Snow Crash is so weird. It's great. If you want another one along the same lines as far as zaniness goes you should read The Big U.
Cryptonomicon and the System of the World trilogy and Reamde and Anathem and the rest of them are more serious (but probably also better works objectively (but there's nothing wrong with the fun ones)).
Alan Turing is in Cryptonomicon though, also the whole book is excellent. I'm due for a reread.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Turing didn’t start coding until 1948 though. His war work didn’t involve computers, rather the electro-mechanical Bombe devices.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

youre telling me a queer electro-mechanical bombe deviced this

[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 20 points 4 days ago

Bible humpers now: STOP FORCEFULLY FEMINIZING MEN

Bible humpers back then:

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago
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