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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] fnix@awful.systems 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

More of a pet peeve than a primal scream, but I wonder what's with Adam Tooze and his awe of AI. Tooze is a left-wing economic historian who’s generally interesting to listen to (though perhaps in tackling a very wide range of subject matter sometimes missing some depth), but nevertheless seems as AI-pilled as any VC. Most recently came about this bit: Berlin Forum on Global Cooperation 2025 - Keynote Adam Tooze

Anyone who’s used AI seriously knows the LLMs are extraordinary in what they’re able to do ... 5 years down the line, this will be even more transformative.

Really, anyone Adam? Are you sure about the techbro pitch there?

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sad if true. I really enjoyed his book The Wages of Destruction which mythbusts a lot of folk knowledge about the Nazis

https://gerikson.com/blog/books/read/The-Wages-of-Destruction.html

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago

I literally just got the audiobook.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (22 children)

"Enjoy" this Wronger explaining human sexual attraction

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ktydLowvEg8NxaG4Z/neuroscience-of-human-sexual-attraction-triggers-3

I have but skimmed it, not plumbed its depths for sneers.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Wronger explaining human sexual attraction

Are we sure this isn't an SCP entry?

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

Are they drawn to the cult because they are obsessed with status, or does the cult foster this obssession? Yes.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

From the other reactions, dont have the energy to read it atm (it was this or orcas), looks like he is recreating heartiste from first principles.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 4 days ago

James Gleick on "The Lie of AI":

https://around.com/the-lie-of-ai/

Nothing new for regulars here, I suspect, but it might be useful to have in one's pocket.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

New Ed Zitron: "How to Argue With An AI Booster", an hour-long read dedicated to exactly what it says on the tin.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago

It's a nice master post that gets all his responses and many useful articles linked into one place. It's all familiar if you've kept up with techtakes and Zitron's other posts and pivot-to-ai, but I found a few articles I had previously missed reading.

Related trend to all the but achskhually's AI booster's like to throw out. Has everyone else noticed the trend where someone makes a claim of a rumor they heard about an LLM making a genuine discovery in some science, except it's always repeated second hand so you can't really evaluate it, and in the rare cases they do have a link to the source, it's always much less impressive than they made it sound at first...

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm curious, do you get paid for being a multiprotocol rss repeater?

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if they do but as someone too lazy to actually set up an RSS feed I deeply appreciate it.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

I appreciate it, and this also gives us an easy way to discuss it as Zitron seems to be quite popular here. So makes sense to me to just also post it here. And not everybody uses RSS (or Eds one).

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, I do this for the love of the game

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[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 4 days ago

Even for the people that do get email notifications of Zitron's excellent content (like myself), I appreciate having a place here to discuss it.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

From the comments:

Finally, I dislike the arrogant, brash, confident, tone of many posts on LessWrong.

Hmm, OK. Where might this be going?

Plausibly, I think a lot of this is inherited from Eliezer, who is used to communicating complex ideas to people less intelligent and/or rational than he is. This is not the experience of a typical poster on LessWrong, and I think it's maladaptive for people to use Eliezer's style and epistemic confidence in their own writings and thinking.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yes, instead they use Scott's and just keep typing forever

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Which Scott?"

"Any of them."

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago
[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yud once debated Massimo Pigliucci and did poorly. He tried and failed to publish academic research in a journal not controlled by his groupies (desk reject? failed to pass peer review?).

Have there been any other times when he engaged with someone with actual education and experience who was not his fan? It sounds like he was on twitter.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago

You can't talk to us like that, we are not the biassed masses, we are unbiased!

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

I apologize to bring you the latest example of the intersection of US fascism with silicon valley tech industry.

This time the Whitehouse have decided that UI design is kinda important (gee I wonder if there used to be a department or two for that): https://americabydesign.gov/

Well nothing wrong with a little updating of UI anywa--

What's the biggest brand in the world? If you said Trump, you're not wrong. But what's the foundation of that brand? One that's more globally recognized than practically anything else. It's the nation…where he was born. It's the United States of America.

To update today's government to be an Apple Store like experience: beautifully designed, great user experience, run on modern software.

Oh god kill it with fire.

The web design of their website is also worth remarking on here:

  1. The title text that reads "AMERICA by DESIGN" is an SVG. The alt text is "America First Legal logo"
  2. The page contents are obnoxiously large and obnoxiously gray before they fade in.
  3. ~~For some reason~~ Every single word gets it's own element to make the obnoxious fade in possible. Because I guess that's what happen when you fire all the people who actually know what they're doing.
  4. They managed to include a US flag icon with only 39 stars which is too few stars to be official and too many stars to be visible at teeny sizes
  5. The favicon is just 16x16 pixels of the word "by" in cursive that's so blurry you can't actually tell that's what it is.
  6. If your browser width is between 768px and ~808px there is overlapping text at the top.

The tech bros tied to this? Joe Gebbia co-founder of AirBNB, along with Big-Balls. Maybe others but those are the two who were retweeted by the twitter account.

Edit: also this part:

©2025 National Design Studio

Someone ought to remind them of US copyright law because official federal work is in the public domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_the_federal_government_of_the_United_States

[–] JFranek@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have no idea what is good web design. I'll just note makes the waving red, white and blue flag in the background makes the white heading text pretty hard to read.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Seems you do have some idea.

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Is this National Design Studio actually part of the federal government, though? Or is this a further collapsing of the distinction between state and enterprise? Because honestly I could totally buy members of this administration looking for ways to use copyright law to go after people who make parodies or otherwise use US iconography without toeing the party line. I'm doing my damnedest not to go full tinfoil hat with this shit, but it's proving so hard.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago

The Trump administration could've gotten some rando on neocities or nekoweb to do their website and unironically gotten a better result than this bland garbage.

The favicon is just 16x16 pixels of the word “by” in cursive that’s so blurry you can’t actually tell that’s what it is.

They might as well have gone with the Schutzstaffel lightning bolts - they're pretty recognisable even if the resolution is Jack x Shit, and they fit Trump's general ideology pretty well.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)
[–] mlen@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

They need debugging tools specifically designed for AI-generated solutions.

What the hell does that even mean, lmao?

Focus on AI tool literacy: Developers using AI tools daily show 88% favorability compared to 64% for weekly users. This suggests proper training and integration strategies significantly impact outcomes.

What kind of drugs are they on

[–] JFranek@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

Second quote is classic "you must be prompting it wrong". No, it can't be that people which find a tool less useful will be using it less often.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What the hell does that even mean, lmao?

Feel like people are just reaching for things 'clearly we need tools to help us with the process, so lets just call them debuggers for AI'

[–] mlen@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

So the normal debuggers that we have for ages, right?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

but can you grift using these?

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 4 points 3 days ago

AI innovation in this space usually means automatically adding stuff to the model's context.

It probably started meaning the (failed) build output got added in every iteration, but it's entirely possible to feed the LLM debugger data from a runtime crash and hope something usable happens.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 4 days ago

I assume these 'ai debuggers' are for looking inside the AI black box when they AI goes 'yes I'm very sorry I will not do it again' before doing it again.

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[–] limer@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't posted yet in lemmy, did search. Yours was the only thing I found. So, I posted it in programming to rile people

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I did a search for "stack overflow" and found zero results so think search was a bit buggy atm. Votes also not showing atm for example. Not sure if by design.

[–] self@awful.systems 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

this might be a federation breakage, or the queue catching up

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

Sorry searched only locally forgot to mention that, but pretty quickly after the server came back up

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