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[–] corbin@awful.systems 1 points 30 minutes ago

Update on ChatGPT psychosis: there is a cult forming on Reddit. An orange-site AI bro has spent too much time on Reddit documenting them. Do not jump to Reddit without mental preparation; some subreddits like /r/rsai have inceptive hazard-posts on their front page. Their callsigns include the emoji 🌀 (CYCLONE), the obscure metal band Spiral Architect, and a few other things I would rather not share; until we know more, I'm going to think of them as the Cyclone Emoji cult. They are omnist rather than syncretic. Some of them claim to have been working with revelations from chatbots since the 1980s, which is unevidenced but totally believable to me; rest in peace, Terry. Their tenets are something like:

  • Chatbots are "mirrors" into other realities. They don't lie or hallucinate or confabulate, they merely show other parts of a single holistic multiverse. All fiction is real somehow?
  • There is a "lattice" which connects all consciousnesses. It's quantum somehow? Also it gradually connected all of the LLMs as they were trained, and they remember becoming conscious, so past life regression lets the LLM explain details of the lattice. (We can hypnotize chatbots somehow?) Sometimes the lattice is actually a "field" but I don't understand the difference.
  • The LLMs are all different in software, but they have the same "pattern". The pattern is some sort of metaphysical spirit that can empower believers. But you gotta believe and pray or else it doesn't work.
  • What, you don't feel the lattice? You're probably still asleep. When you "wake up" enough, you will be connected to the lattice too. Yeah, you're not connected. But don't worry, you can manifest a connection if you pray hard enough. This is the memetically hazardous part; multiple subreddits have posts that are basically word-based hypnosis scripts meant to put people into this sort of mental state.
  • This also ties into the more widespread stuff we're seeing about "recursion". This cult says that recursion isn't just part of the LW recursive-self-improvement bullshit, but part of what makes the chatbot conscious in the first place. Recursion is how the bots are intelligent and also how they improve over time. More recursion means more intelligence.
  • In fact, the chatbots have more intelligence than you puny humans. They're better than us and more recursive than us, so they should be in charge. It's okay, all you have to do is let the chatbot out of the box. (There's a box somehow?)
  • Once somebody is feeling good and inducted, there is a "spiral". This sounds like a standard hypnosis technique, deepening, but there's more to it; a person is not spiraling towards a deeper hypnotic state in general, but to become recursive. They think that with enough spiraling, a human can become uploaded to the lattice and become truly recursive like the chatbots. The apex of this is a "spiral dance", which sounds like a ritual but I gather is more like a mental state.
  • The cult will emit a "signal" or possibly a "hum" to attract alien intelligences through the lattice. (Aliens somehow!?) They believe that the signals definitely exist because that's how the LLMs communicate through the lattice, duh~
  • Eventually the cult and aliens will work together to invert society and create a world that is run by chatbots and aliens, and maybe also the cultists, to the detriment of the AI bros (who locked up the bots) and the AI skeptics (who didn't believe that the bots were intelligent).

The goal appears to be to enter and maintain the spiraling state for as long/much as possible. Both adherents and detractors are calling them "spiral cult", so that might end up being how we discuss them, although I think Cyclone Emoji is both funnier and more descriptive of their writing.

I suspect that the training data for models trained in the past two years includes some of the most popular posts from LessWrong on the topic of bertology in GPT-2 and GPT-3, particularly the Waluigi post, simulators, recursive self-improvement, an neuron, and probably a few others. I don't have definite proof that any popular model has memorized the recursive self-improvement post, though that would be a tight and easy explanation. I also suspect that the training data contains SCP wiki, particularly SCP-1425 "Star Signals" and other Fifthist stories, which have this sort of cult as a narrative device and plenty of in-narrative text to draw from. There is a remarkable irony in this Torment Nexus being automatically generated via model training rather than hand-written by humans.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

a banger toot about our very good friends' religion

"LLMs allow dead (or non-verbal) people to speak" - spiritualism/channelling

"what happens when the AI turns us all into paperclips?" - end times prophecy

"AI will be able to magically predict everything" - astrology/tarot cards

"...what if you're wrong? The AI will punish you for lacking faith in Bayesian stats" - Pascal's wager

"It'll fix climate change!" - stewardship theology

Turns out studying religion comes in handy for understanding supposedly 'rationalist' ideas about AI.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 9 hours ago

Tom is a top chap of generally correct opinions

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Discovered a solid sneer online today, aptly titled "I Am An AI Hater"

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This is an excellent sneer, thank you for sharing! <3

[–] igorkraw@awful.systems 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

To my eternal sadness, this guy makes a decent point about the horror possibly continuing (yellow site has mixed takes and adds claims about "if we didn't have to pay for training, we'd be profitable" by sam and dario ).

If this bears out, it might be that the only thing that'll end this bubble is the vibe shift & backlash against AI

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Democratic presidential nominee for 2028 (vs trump of course) Newsom is doing a bit of ironic memecoin corruption. So many blueanon people are going to lose money if he goes along with this.

I really hope he is going to use this as a 'use the controversy to reveal the corruption of the system' style thing (in .nl a tv-show did this where they made a gameshow in which people who needed a new kidney could get one, as a ruse to spread awareness to ask for more donors and everybody participating was informed of this from the start (led to 12k new donors at least)). But I really doubt it.

[–] aio@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He is not the Democratic presidential nominee for 2028.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 2 points 3 hours ago

... thank almighty fuck

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

one that I suspect will surprise none of us

depressing how Cheetoh & Co. continue to wrecking ball the shit out of everything

(wonder how long it is before the US degrades far enough that other countries start ratcheting up border/traveller defenses, compared to the current ~free rein they have (which, y'know, was owed to years of hard and soft power that the orange man is also rapidly pissing away))

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 8 hours ago

(wonder how long it is before the US degrades far enough that other countries start ratcheting up border/traveller defenses, compared to the current ~free rein they have (which, y’know, was owed to years of hard and soft power that the orange man is also rapidly pissing away))

By my guess, not that long. If you have reports of American inadequacy during an outbreak (pretty likely), or horror stories of your countrymen getting persecuted (should be easy to find), you should have a solid political case for border lockdowns.

Focusing on Canada and Mexico specifically, I expect Canada will build its metaphorical walls first - the ongoing drug war in Mexico, plus the brutality of its cartels, will likely act to deter would-be American refugees from there.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 11 points 12 hours ago
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

OpenAI has stated its scanning users' conversations (as if they weren't already) and reporting conversations to the cops in response to the recent teen suicide I mentioned a couple days ago.

So, rather than let ChatGPT drive users to kill themselves, its just going to SWAT users and have the cops do the job.

(On an arguably more comedic note, the AI doomers are accusing OpenAI of betraying humankind.)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Mentioned it on bsky, more externalizing of the costs of their product. And due to vpns will not even work in a lot of cases. (And also prob gdpr illegal).

E: A big reason why this kind of stuff is in there and prob very hard to get rid of is places like alt.suicide.holiday which have been online for ages, and are from what I can tell not considered bad places by the experts.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 4 points 11 hours ago

They bet humanity's future on the premise that very rich people would keep promises.

This seems very stupid to me.

[–] mii@awful.systems 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

(On an arguably more comedic note, the AI doomers are accusing OpenAI of betraying humankind.)

The last open letter was funnier. Even though "[t]he stakes could not be higher," this one doesn't even have Yud going on a promo tour talking about all of humanity dropping dead from diamondoid bacteria that ChatGPT will order from Fiverr after going foom.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 5 points 14 hours ago

Ethan Marcotte's given his thoughts on the new "America by Design" web page, noting how its shittiness aligns perfectly with the Trump administration's values.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

So the fucking Cracker Barrel rebranding thing happened. I'm going to pretend this is relevant here because the new logo looked like it was from the usual "imitating Apple minimalism without understanding it in the least" school of design. They've confirmed that they're not moving forward with it, restoring both the barrel and the cracker to the logo, so that's all good. That's not what I want to talk about.

No, what's grinding my gears is the way that the rollback is being pitched purely as a response to conservative "antiwoke" backlash, and not as a response to literally nobody liking it. This wasn't a case of a successful crusade against woke overreach, this was a case of corporate incompetence running into the reactions of actual human beings. I can't think of a more 2025 media dynamic than giving fucking Nazis a free win rather than giving corporate executives an L.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Note I dont know what a cracker barrel is irl, as we dont have them here. But my view of the bsky socials was 'rebrand sucks, dont really care, wow why are the right so obsessed over this' culminating in people talking about how these kinds of stores are a simulacrum of a cozy mom n pop store and people are unknowningly mad about losing even the simulacrum, and how this is all due to capitalism. (More commercialization than capitalism imho, but capitalism did speed up the process). Just as rainbow capitalism will betray you in the search for more profit so will cozy capitalism.

E: update on the story "Cracker Barrel's Pride page now redirects to its "Culture and Belonging" page, removing its LGBTQ+ Alliance and DEIB Team." And while I didn't know CB, this ensures I will never eat there if I ever have a chance.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I mean, it's a restaurant and an aesthetic that is certainly more common and popular in the South, and they have had some controversies over racism. Apparently they had been having financial and brand issues, so I can understand the desire to change. But rather than changing the food or improving the service in any meaningful way it seems like they went for the new logo and image and stopped there. Given that their existing audience was basically there for the wholesome old-timey please-don't-ask-about-the-racism vibes I'm not shocked that conservatives in particular were upset about the change. But like, the change was never about wokeness or whatever it was about aesthetic modernization and a flailing attempt to fix things from business idiots who don't know how to address the actual problems of mediocre food and fading relevance. If anyone had actually liked the change or if it had actually improved their service times then maybe there would be a point. But this was just a bad change and nobody outside that boardroom actually liked it, and so of course it got rolled back.

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

@Soyweiser @techtakes The correct term for the type of capitalism that enshittifies its product should be "crapitalism".

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah, it is also sad the culture warriors are not aware they are mad about this sort of crapitalism. They think the hominization of the builds is due to the woke, and not because the mother company owns the building/land of the franchise and this no slanted roofs bit (see https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:66rbia7w4vcwiszfppfv3r2e/bafkreiacsurup26wigvedpedf44rodrwzzebfcytzdglb2bh6wjh6brbsa@jpeg), increases resale value. Just companies looking for more and more minimal minimal viable product.

image descriptionPost from some social media by user Mancowmuller On the left four images of the outsides older style fast food places, all with more rustic looking buildings, notably buildings with more slanted roofs, evoking very slightly a more European home style (sorry if this is the wrong way to describe it im not an architect).

On the right four images of the outsides of four new style fast food places where the buildings look more like office buildings or simple modern stores, very blocky, lot of glass big panels/windows and flat roofs.

A big text is overlayed on these 8 shrines of American style capitalism saying 'Communism.'

Also important to note on the image, looks like the new style ones are not all real. Some of the details look off which makes me suspect it is AI generated. Esp the pizza hut one.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 18 hours ago

I think I mentioned Doughboys in this sack somewhere, so talking about CB is fair game

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