I keep asking my lib acquaintance in the National Guard what he’s going to do if/when he gets deployed to an American city. A month ago he said he’d flat out refuse. With DC he said, “Well, it’s a federal jurisdiction.” My guess is that he’ll be fine with doing whatever they tell him.
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A month ago he said he’d flat out refuse.
I'm going to make a prediction - they're going to say "Look, I might not like going to Chicago next month if not next week and patrolling the city in body armor with combat gear but I have to. The courts have determined it's legal or legal enough anyway so blah blah fucking blah..."
You can’t use a time machine to make a prediction. That’s cheating.
"I'm just following orders"
Here's the number and website for the GI Rights hotline, 1-877-447-4487 for advice, or visit them online at https://girightshotline.org/.
See if you can get them to at least read through the website's info if not actually call the line and talk to somebody about actual options.
Thanks for the info. Hopefully he’ll read through it. This guy wasn’t on board with calling the Palestinian genocide a genocide until some Israeli based charities started saying it a couple weeks ago. So I’m not hopeful that he will be able to use his own judgement to refuse being used as a domestic police force.
Not sure if this is at all helpful, but it took me over 10 years after I got out of the Army to finally let go of a whole lot of things and fully accept that the US military is an imperial force, anywhere the US military operates it is actively working to do bad things in the area, and even though I managed to kill exactly zero people as part of the invading and occupying forces of Iraq in 2003 I'm still one of the "bad guys".
If you have the patience and your aquiantence isn't immediately walking away from you when you try to give them correct information, you just need to keep pumping that info into their envrionment. Little cracks become big cracks over time.
Thanks for the advice. And sorry you went through that. I’m glad you’re in a better place now, comrade.
Self inflicted so ... 
But I do wonder how much faster the turn could have been if I had stumbled into some theory literate Anarchist or MLM people.
So...it's kind of like a civil war, but one side is just going to not actually fight back and wait for their chance to "vote" the brownshirts away.
Super-earnest Dem yelling out proudly "The pen is mighti—"
Chud #1: "What was he yellin'?"
Chud #2: "Don't matter. Nothing is stronger than a bullet. And he's dead."
Oh ICE is absolutely going to arrest anyone brown at a polling station.
Saying "but 'acting out' is what they want" is cope.
Welp its been fun posting, comrades
Trump is going to say "I can send the military to any city any time. I control every city. Every single one. Especially the liberal ones. " And the libs are going to talk about voting.
I hear people arguing about whether Gavin Newsome could win an election for president as though the election would be fair and the results respected.
Yesterday I saw an unironic Bluesky post that said if Trump can run for a third term then Obama can too so Obama would win.
"I would've voted for Obama for a third time if I could've"
I do hear quite a lot of libs talking these days about the need for uprising and revolution. They have no coherent understanding of what that looks like or the class dynamics, but they know the voting system is a sham.
I want to be optimistic but I can't stop thinking about two things I think will happen soon - maybe this year. There could be a Kent State shootings-like situation and then its awful aftermath. Back in 1970 four people shot dead by the National Guard was a massacre. But if a bunch of people get murdered by Trump's goons - republican media and the republican base will decide that being against Trump and being "violent" even if that is a total lie - can deserve an immediately death sentence and execution. They got what they deserved.
Meanwhile - the dem media and the dem base probably won't think to use the word massacre because normies don't use it anymore to describe anything that happens in the US. The dem base might indeed lose their shit but boldface name dems and the dem machine will say stuff like "order must be maintained even in this difficult time". And they'll be some indirect victim blaming - "we cannot have a rush to judgment about the events that transpired". I wonder if the dems will even have the gall to use the "few bad apples" trope to explain away a clear case of state sponsored murder.
Maybe I'm all wrong and there will finally be a lib version of the Tea Party and change will be forced upon the dem leadership. But I just don't see that happening. I imagine the base will yell they'll vote the assholes out and that they support the dems unless there's clear and immediate change. But in the end - they'll go back to doing both.
There might be some cosmetic window dressing described as "progressive" changes. If the hullabaloo caused Jeffries and Schumer to get replaced then it's meet the new ghouls - same as the old ghouls.
four people shot dead by the National Guard was a massacre
Spare yourself the psychic damage of looking at how many Americans had no problem with Kent State immediately after it happened.
we have always been a nation of monsterous chuds
According to Gallop immediately afterward, 58% of respondents blamed the students, while only 11% blamed the National Guard.
By November that year 65% of respondents supported cracking down on student protesters. Cracking down on student protesters was more popular than ending Vietnam at the time.
Add another one to the "imagine the libs if this happened in China" pile.
our government is legitimate and a democracy because we're the good guys. theirs is authoritarian and autocratic because they are the bad guys. and, let's not forget they're Chinese. I hope that clears this up for you.
Guys will literally deploy the National Guard against civilians 3 times in one year and not see the issue
So like, where is this going? Cause would say nothing will come of this but Ice has been an actual fascist element added to civic life.
trump posted up on o block with his shooters