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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Egon@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Constantly see people online talk about "when the robber comes thru my door" or whatever, and some of it is memes, but a lot of it is just people legit discussing what the "best weapon" to fight robbers breaking into your house at night would be - Giving it so much thought as if it is a legitimate concern. So is it? Does it happen a lot?

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[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 139 points 10 months ago

Masturbatory fantasies of getting to kill someone with a gun, and then get praised for it

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 84 points 10 months ago

I've lived in cities in the US most of my life and I routinely forget to lock my door, I've never had anything happen. Nobody is desperate enough to go rooting through my dirty laundry, shoes, and old electronics for something of value.

It's just suburban psychosis

[-] octobob@lemmy.ml 34 points 10 months ago

I woke up from a nap to someone rooting through my shit in the living room in the middle of the day.

I think people like to fantasize about what they would do in certain scenarios, but the truth is you don't really know. It felt so surreal that I actually just passed him and went to the bathroom.

When it dawned on me what was happening, I just asked him to leave. He just said he meant no harm and actually asked me if he could stay a while to get out of the rain.

I was like well I don't know about that haha

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

I woke up from a nap to someone rooting through my shit in the living room in the middle of the day.

The only time I've had someone do something like that it was my landlord, fucker was trying to show off my apartment while I was still living there

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[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 83 points 10 months ago

Full disclosure I personally support an an armed proletariat. That said my favorite thing to ask home protection people is, "when is the last time you had your fire extinguisher tested?"

Its a free service offered by most fire departments. Far, far more children are killed by fires than roving packs of murderers. Guns are much more likely to be used for suicide or domestic violence. If you own a gun but not a fire extinguisher you don't really care about protecting your family, you just want to kill someone

[-] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

This made me realize that I didn't even know where to look for a fire extinguisher because I've never noticed one in any store I've been to. Apparently they're mostly available in some section of hardware stores that I haven't been to often

Meanwhile there was a prominent booth for buying guns in every walmart near me until walmart stopped selling them altogether

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago

Some grocery stores sell the smaller ones also. But yeah, Americans are super weird about safety. Taking a basic first aid course is going to help you save lives far better than shoving a pistol in your pants or learning krav maga

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago

Always make notice of fire exits when you enter a building. That will more likely be useful than carrying a gun ever will

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

That's another good one. If you're bowling with your kids and a rogue firearms instructor starts shooting the place up and you know where the exit is, you might get your family out of there. If you pull out your piece and return fire there are now two unhinged idiots filling the air with lead

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

An armed proletariat should probably take the form of an organized and coordinated militia, with everyone trained on how to use their weapons and checks on their health to ensure they're able. Randomly strewn about weapons purchased on credit for anyone who shows up to a gun store seems bad.

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Ideally, but under no pretext and all of that. I was mostly just stating that I didn't support blanket gun bans though I have to admit I don't really trust Americans with them

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[-] thebartermyth@hexbear.net 59 points 10 months ago

Sorta tangentially, many American suburban developments are arranged primarily to be as defensible as possible in a way that makes the people living there extremely paranoid. Suburbs often have one or two entrances / exits branching into one looping and some number of non-looping paths. As a result, there will almost never be anyone driving through the suburb without a deliberate reason to be there. Most often, it's because they live there. Neighbors will quickly recognize each other's cars and be able to identify each other's comings and goings. Seeing an unexpected car (or any person of color as many of these spaces are entirely white) will immediately raise questions on the neighborhood snitch app or text group. Also, neighbors are constantly spying on each other because the structure of suburbia highly encourages it. This type of suburban design was created explicitly because of and for the purpose of racist paranoia.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

Also people were compelled to root out secret "commies" hiding among them, as that was another thread of McCarthy era paranoia.

[-] Nematodes@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

When you say commies do you mean black people?

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

hard to be a secret black person

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[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Nextdoor.com and ring doorbells also enable techno-surveillance and maximum freakouts anytime a black guy walks through

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 51 points 10 months ago

I saw a documentary once about Americans who have a lot of guns, and there was one guy in it who kept loaded guns stashed all over his house so he'd "always be ready" if someone broke in. The interviewer didn't bring up that he was probably also leaving weapons everywhere for the burglar to use against him, and I wonder if he'd ever even considered why that might be a bad idea.

[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

burgler is going to the big cartoon safe in the freedom room, he ain't looking for rando rifles hidden under floor boards or false bottom in inflatable waifu

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you report a home burglary to the police they immediately assume that you're a drug dealer as they're not generally worth the risk except for the kind of target who tends to have cash and guns and drugs around

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 48 points 10 months ago

So is it? Does it happen a lot?

No, it’s the paranoid delusions of lead poisoned white Christians who’ve been told their entire lives that they’re persecuted and need to be vigilant against the masses that want to harm them

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

In their defense, I would like to harm them

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[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

Closest thing to a home invasion I've ever experienced was an elderly couple that walked in on me taking a massive bong rip and asking if some guy named Jake or John or something lived here, turned out they were in the right place but the wrong floor.

[-] Nematodes@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago
[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

Americans always seem to think that everybody is out to get them all of the time.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

I think it's the inevitable end state of liberal ideology: "there is no society, just atomized individuals, everyone's in competition with each other, every man for himself."

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Upper middle class white devils living in suburbs have a dim awareness of how their lives are situated on a mountain of corpses. Their imagination thus conjures for them an image of lower class rebellion against them. These suburban whites are already paranoid, since they're caught between two poles. They're not rich enough to be ghoulish, grinning bourgeoisie, and they're not desperate enough to identify with the working class. And these are the people who collect the most guns and obsess over home invasion. Not poorer people living in high crime neighborhoods, but sheltered whities in gated communities

So they're paranoid from two angles. With the capitalist class they'll concoct wild conspiracy theories about mind control or vaccines or whatever. With lower class people, it's just racist panic over black or Latino people existing.

A lot of the home invasion prepper types also claim they'll be prepared in the case of a tyrannical government takeover, but I seriously do not believe them. None of them are going to shoot a cop or national guard solider. I don't remember a single instance of that happening in the midst of covid curfews. Their criteria for when tyranny starts is ridiculous too. Tyranny is just gun control, and that's it. So long as suburban whitey still has small arms to play with, America is still apparently trucking along just fine.

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

All true. I'd just add that nonwhite Americans in poor neighborhoods absolutely do own guns as well, mostly for personal protection. They just tend not to fetishize them or own dozens

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

Depending on the community it's being discussed in, "robber" might be short hand for "cop" since they do really like to do no-knock raids for the dumbest shit in America

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

I know a guy who constantly talks about the guns he owns and the ammo he uses and and how he'd kill anyone who tries to hurt his horses. He lives in bumfuck nowhere and, as far as he's told me, has never had any issues with his tiny handful of neighbors. It's like someone who lives in Colorado obsessively preparing for hurricanes.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Or some boomer retiree fox news watching old fucker living in a Michigan townhouse on the lakefront worrying about ISIS and MS13 racing across the border of Mexico to personally kick down their door and eat their ice cream

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We did a genocide founded on "I live here now if you invade my home I'll kill you" and then followed those people to do it again, playing the victim the whole time

The crimes of this guilty land will not be purged away, but with blood.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's really weird because home invasions are much more common in South Africa than the US, yet we don't obsess about it but nearly as much, even if most doors have security gates and windows are barred over here. Mainly some deranged chuds obsess about it, but not your average person, even those that have unfortunately experienced it. Here it's more a vigilance thing, lock the doors and gates, make sure your car is locked, make sure no one is following you home, etc.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

no. Closest thing is one time i had a black guy accidentally walk into our apartment while my tits were out and he just said,with his eyes wide as fuck "oh fuck, wrong place" and left. Bf forgot to lock the door, pretty much the only reason we do it ☠️ bf thought it was hilarious, but I bet that guy was fuckin terrified he basically ran

[-] NoYouLogOff@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

One answer that doesn't seem to be around is that it is/was literally in tv advertisements. Security systems and insurance companies love to run ads showing scary people dressed in black forcing windows open and shit, and chuds probably see a lot of ads.

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[-] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Given how much American media amplifies the ones that do happen, I'm guessing it's pretty uncommon. Most people I've heard bring it up to fantasize about it are just hoping they get a legal excuse to shoot someone. Idk why they don't just apply to become a pig

I've heard fuckers talk about how they don't care if it's just a burglar trying to flee, they "should have thought about that before they broke in"

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

people watch a lot of "true crime" shit. violent home invasion is also the major conflict in a lot of movies. honestly, if there was a list of widely-seen american movies where a violent home invasion happened and taken as a percentage of all widely-seen american movies, i bet that percentage would be considerably higher than the precentage of households that are ever violently invaded.

the only criminals i'm worried about coming through my door are cops. when they do, that's when the second, hidden steel door slams shut behind them and their problems begin.

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

In America it's easier and less like to be a legal hassle if you kill your working class neighbor instead of organizing a union and getting in a fight with your boss. We just want something to do.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Every damn day! When I was growing up my dad told me the communists were coming, and they would knock on my door and say I have to share my home with this group of homeless people, and if I said no then they'd shoot me (true story). Sure enough, soon as I bought a home, they showed up! Now some scraggly homeless dudes who talk a lot about taxes keep walking in like they own the place, drink my milk from the carton and leave it out, leave porn up (and even upload their own home made porn) on my computer, "borrow" my tools and they never bring them back, ordered cable and I got the bill... I could go on, but I'm going to Walmart to get a gun and put an end to this nonsense. Bastards don't even take out the trash or mow the lawn!!

On a serious note, a couple years ago we had some people that would go around looking for unlocked side garage doors and stealing tools. I've got some things of value. But I'd rather them take that shit and file an insurance claim than kill someone, fuck that noise. Take all our shit, I've got my digital stuff locked down and it can all be replaced. If someone is breaking in to hurt us it's another story. I'm visibly queer and there's some seriously scary people in the suburbs, I keep a gun handy for those scenarios. However, psychotic right wingers in the suburbs seem to have this reverence for private property, so I'm honestly not too concerned.

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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

other places where you see this specific breed of paranoia is among white south africans.

the active ingredients in this fantasy are a middle class of temporarily embarrassed millionaires and a racialized underclass lurking in the shadows of their minds.

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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

"This is an extremely primitive and paranoid culture." – Admiral James T. Kirk in late 20th century America, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Castle Doctrine is a legal framework for justifiying the protecting of your home with violence. I think boomers watched too many cowboy media when they were young. It basically informs their whole worldview at this point.

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A lot of people here have the mindset “it’s never happened to me so therefore everyone is being dramatic.” While I’m not too paranoid about people Breaking into my home in this neighborhood, I always hear gunshots and police sirens every few months. And I certainly would not leave anything unlocked a few blocks down from my street. I tend to be vigilant either way. I don’t have the luxury of being white or loving of America, so there are real threats out there, but I usually don’t expose my beliefs enough for it to be detrimental to my life.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Most of them are goofy because they live in safe areas.

Some people need guns because they really are in unsafe areas.

I think the most likely home invasion threat is a cop and unfortunately you probably shouldn't shoot them in that situation. They also do no-knock break-ins so you won't even know if they're cops at first.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

Not really, never happened to me and never happened to anyone in my social circle. It does happen but the people who worry about it (middle class and above white folks) are virtually never the victims of it. When it does occur, it’s usually done by poor people in poor neighborhoods, but even that’s not something that all that common.

As others have said, it’s just 100% racism. Went into a little more detail in this comment yesterday.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Middle class white folk are far more likely to shoot delivery drivers or random people outside than defend themselves against home invasion.

One of my coworkers actually did have a home invasion, but it was an elderly woman with a mental disability who was lost and confused. This guy still pulled an AR15 on her. No one was shot, but he tells the story like he's the Punisher.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

It's like a more personalized preoccupation with DAE le post apocalypse and DAE le zombies. Burgerlanders really, really want a justification to kill someone and await that scenario the way a small child might await Santa Claus. grill-broke

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[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

All the Asian families in my grandma's neighborhood had glue poured in their locks during covid. There was also that one rapper who bragged about "only robbing chinese". Even if these people get caught they just get a slap on the wrist.

Look at what happened to that 7yo Palestinian boy. If you have a family and you're a minority in America it would be negligent not to have a gun.

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