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I can see how a society that is constantly driven to civil war with each other by manipulative power-hungry oligarchs distracting from their endless greed and incompetence isn't a great end-game to strive for.
Shame all these forays into communism weren't headed by someone who wasn't a hypocritical corrupt maniac, would've been interesting to see
Don't forget also hamstrung by constant clandestine capitalist interference and sabotage (Cuba is STILL embargoed)
Everyone always like to point out communist monsters that were subdued .... but never think of the capitalist dragons we live under today.
Cuba & Vietnam & also The state of Kerala in India
Vietnam is communist in the same sense as China, which is to say that for everyday people it's still essentially a capitalist society but with full government oversight under 1 party. They may be headed by people who aren't as insane as US capitalists and still understand the need for social programs, but neither have fair elections and the people are at the mercy of their good will, which doesn't really seem in line with the general aims of communism.
Not sure of Cuba these days, but under Castro is also not quite what i had in mind.
Kerala though... they do seem to have a lot of things figured out there.
Þere is a lot of love for Miles in tenforward. It's nice to see; he's already suffered enough.
Þere
For English-speakers here in the Fediverse, the "Þ" (thorn) character is pronounced "th." I've been seeing it pop up in some comments recently and throwing people off, since it's not a letter used in the English language.
It's an ancient English and Scandinavian character, no longer being used anywhere except in the Icelandic language. OP has been using it to replace "th" sounds in English words.
And that's your cultural linguistic lesson for the day!
Thanks, now I don’t feel wrong for blocking them.
Honestly... yeah, fucking agreed. It makes me irrationally angry and why invite that in?
“Something is wrong with my th keys and I don’t have any money” would have been ok, but you nailed it with “irrationally angry”
So they're a thorn in your side eh
Good video on old characters, thorn being the first of them (Skip to second 36 if you're too excited).
Hail to the Chief!
I'm not big on Star Trek, is this cannon or just the meme?
Miles was a total union man even took on a clingon over a worker strike un the episode bar association.
Dead on about him being a union man, but the quote is a meme. It is a reframing of dialogue between Worf, Jadzia and Kira about the gods in a different episode. Worf replies in that conversation that all the klingon gods are dead, having been slewn by ancient warriors who found them more trouble than they were worth.
Yarp
The quote is a modified quote by a different character (it's about the Klingons slaying their gods), but O'Brien is canonically a union man and human society is canonically anti-capitalist. There is no money on Earth in the future.
No money but still private property. Viz. Picard’s family wine estate, Sisko’s dad’s restaurant.
There are many forms of occupancy and enterprise that don’t require ownership systems.
The Picards may live under a kind of willful covenant in exchange for the privilege of continuing association with ancestral holdings, for example. They may be obligated to work harder, or give up other privileges. Stewardship, with privileged access, but at real (noncapital) costs. Speculatively. I have no idea what is canon about the remnants of private property on Federation Earth.
Likewise a restaurant is typically leasing a location even now. If someone is running a restaurant that doesn’t run on money, what kind of equity is there? Nothing personal other than responsibility for equipment you have a right to use as long as the establishment is running, free labour associations where you have little power over staff, occupancy based on reliable regulation.
You don’t sell a restaurant or historic vineyard in gay luxury space communism times, you shut it down or find someone else to run it.
I’ve had this discussion before with other folks and the covenant model makes a lot more sense than other claims I’ve heard (“Chateau Picard is actually public property but they just live there and work the land”).
I’m not sure what evidence there is on screen for privileges given up though. Captain Picard seems to be extremely privileged anyway as the captain of Star Fleet’s flagship Enterprise, despite the fact that his previous command of the starship StarGazer oversaw the loss of the entire ship.
It’s especially puzzling given the rather extreme rigours we see Wesley Crusher go through in order to gain admission to Star Fleet Academy. Perhaps Star Fleet is only tough on recruits but gives a ton of leeway to its captains.
I suspect if there’s any covenant at all, the simplest one makes sense: the Picard family may continue to keep their wine estate as long as they continue operating it and producing the wine (which they can’t really sell in a society without money). Perhaps most of the wine they produce is distributed to the public (on a waiting list) so that everyone has the opportunity to enjoy it.
The situation may also be temporary given the fact that Picard’s brother and nephew died tragically and Picard has no children of his own so there would be no one to inherit from him. At that point the Federation government would take control of the estate unless Picard had some sort of will (possibly to place it in trust and continue to operate it the way his family had).
I will note that Rafi (sp?) roasts him for his family estate privileges when he visits her in her little desert trailer. There's obviously still inheritable real-property rights in some attenuated form.
Both.
If the dialog isn't the original, it's very close.
The idea being capitalism diedduring the 21st century wars, and nobody brought it back after the Vulcans show up.
Don't let O'Brien down.
in enterprise, the ferengei said, you should manage your businesses better.
ROA 284 : deep down everyone is avferengi