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I myself have moved downmarket for both beer and bourbon now. Trying to drink less, it's bad for you and expensive

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[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Reassuring to see the young people will still be killing luxury industries when Millennials are no more 07

[–] Lurkerino@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The only thing I would spend money on is entertaintment, and I learned to pirate everything since 12 lol

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[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

sales of Bulleit, a Kentucky distillery that makes bourbon, rye and whiskey, where down 7.3% this fiscal year.

you can tell it’s not an AI article because of good old fashioned typos like this

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago

And using "growing list of casualties" twice within four paragraphs.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Just an AI editor!

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not a mystery. Bourbon got huge because really good stuff was readily available for pretty cheap. Henry McKenna 10 year was the poster child for this, it was really solid and you could find it everywhere for $25. Now it's a semi-premium offering for $60-75. The boom made all the producers invest in more infrastructure and now that infrastructure is delivering more and more product to an already flagging and overpriced market.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The boom made all the producers invest in more infrastructure and now that infrastructure is delivering more and more product to an already flagging and overpriced market.

WEIRD GUYS, I thought BASIC ECONOMICS said when supply go up, price go down???

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

You don't get it, supply and demand is TAUTOLOGICAL. The fact that the market is overpriced IMPLIES BY LOGICAL NECESSITY that the demand is up

[–] mendiCAN@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i stopped drinking whiskey (i was a bulleit fan even!) because it got popular, then too expensive, and worst part, too samey. i originally drank bulleit cuz it was a great drunk for 18$. now they're too proud of themselves and to my palate all bourbons taste pretty much the same, the better ones just burn less.

so now i drink barrel-aged gin or mezcal, or nothin cuz i can't pay the price for that vice.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Alcohol is so expensive now. I stopped buying craft beers bc they were 15 for a four pack where I live and switched to a euro lager, except now I drink 3 instead of 1

Bought some 0% yesterday they seem to scratch the itch hopefully I can wean off

I am really stressed lol

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

the best beer for alcoholism WAS new belgium's voodoo ranger imperial IPA, its 9% abv but doesn't taste like it's really strong

but they stopped fucking going on sale for 13.99 now half the time that shit is 19 fucking dollars

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

hell yeah, that's a good beer.

-an alcoholic

Pro tip look for an outlet grocery store if they have them near you. I can still get $7 6 Packs and $12 12 packs most times.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Best beer for alcoholism is malt liquor. Idk prices now, but you used to be able to get two tall boys for $5, and that’s enough to get even the drunkest drunk good and tipsy, anyone else will be pretty trashed. I haven’t drank in almost 10 years though

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[–] UrsineApathy@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

Man, when I was deep in the throes of alcoholism(semi-sober now) during the pandemic that was my go-to beer. I wouldn't say it was good, but New Belgium was the perfect intersection of high alcohol content, a decent price, and not tasting like it was malt trash. Last I checked they were like $(US)20 for a 12 pack near me though so I don't think it's still in that category.

I disagree with it not tasting strong though. A single sip would make my hair stand on end hahaha.

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[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

All us millenials are old as dirt and the hangovers are too bad so we cut down our drinking too

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Two drink maximum for me these days, otherwise it’s a day long hangover.

[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I still binge when I do drink, and it's such a gamble. I switched from high ABV beers to low ones and chug electrolytes in the evening before drinking and in the morning. That seems to help most of the time but seems like its becoming less effective.... If only I were capable of actually listening to my body

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

My friend who is in the medical profession swears by a multivitamin and two ibuprofen before bed. Works pretty well in my experience although I usually just do lots of water and a multivitamin

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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Since becoming disabled, I've had to go on opioids to deal with pain. When I was 22, I could drink a whole six pack of whatever and only get a buzz. Now I'm ready to fall asleep after half a beer because of the interaction with painkillers, which kills my whole day.

I'll still drink whenever/whatever. I just have to plan the rest of my time around it, which is a hassle. My friends are all just adults now with responsibilities, so they can't get drunk like they used to.

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[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

clean three months, mostly because mental health reasons, not going back ever.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good for you. Happy you're feeling healthier and good about it.

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[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Congratulations on hitting the 3 month mark!

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[–] blunder@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I just can't afford a cocktail

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don’t understand how anyone is surviving. I never understood the amount people are willing to pay for cocktails but beyond that, I’m spending a minimum of $15 a day on food/groceries and I like to think I’m keeping that cost down to as low as anyone can.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Credit cards, but that train has a final stop

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

But this was relevant 5-10 years ago and now we’re at the end stage where Klarna is being used for groceries, that can only last for a few months max

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

15 bucks for an old fashioned is pretty steep

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"yeah I'd like to spend $40 after taxes and tip to not get drunk, that sounds great!" - this article's platonic ideal of a gen Z drinker.

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[–] TommyBeans@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

As soon as I discovered weed, alcohol was dead to me, gotta be a few of those cases going around.

Anecdotally, all the early 20’s I’ve met smoke over drinking, but my crowd is made up of ND potheads so idk if that’s worth much to generalize off of

[–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

California sober

[–] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Same here. After weed, I haven't had a drop of alcohol in a while at events

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

Many such cases

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

As American as apple pie, Kentucky bourbon was booming after the last Great Recession ended. But as the economy has waned post-Pandemic - and with multiple trade wars on the horizon - the market may be drying up.

Although the whiskey, which is traditionally made with corn and aged in charred oak barrels, has roots going all the way back to the 18th Century, it wasn't until 1964 that it became an iconic piece of Americana, when Congress passed a law declaring it a "distinctive product of the United States".

But drinking trends come and go, and by the end of the 20th Century, bourbon was considered a bit old fashioned - pun intended.

"You often see these kind of generational shifts where people don't want to drink what their parents drink," said Marten Lodewijks, the US president of IWSR, which collects alcoholic beverage data and provides industry analysis.

Then, as the world recovered from the 2008 recession, drinkers seemed to rediscover this classic spirit, for a few different reasons.

For starters, the price point was good, which made it attractive for bar managers to purchase and incorporate into cocktails and for younger drinkers to sample. Then, in 2013, a law was passed in Kentucky that made it easier for companies to purchase and resell vintage bottles, opening up a high-end collectible market. Add to that the rise in mid-century nostalgia fuelled by shows like Mad Men, and bourbon was due for a full-blown Renaissance.

Sales of bourbon grew by 7% worldwide between 2011-2020, which is more than three times the growth of the decade prior, according to industry data company ISWR.

Soon, some bourbon distillers were becoming quasi-celebrities, and people were starting to buy up bourbon bottles not to drink, but as an investment.

"Everyone was going crazy over the bourbon market, and treating like a commodity, like a stock," recalls Robin Wynne, a general manager and beverage director for Little Sister in Toronto, Canada, who has been a bar manager for about 25 years.

"People would go in as a prospector, to flip bottles for two to three times the value."

But like most market bubbles, this one was bound to burst. The pandemic's lockdowns tanked bar sales, and inflation has made many would-be bourbon drinkers choose less expensive options - or forgo drinking all together. Amongst Gen-Z, many 20-somethings are drinking less than their older siblings and parents did at their age.

Those factors have contributed to declining alcohol sales, with bourbon sales specifically slowing down to just 2% between 2021-2024, according to ISWR data.

President Donald Trump's global tariffs have been the final straw. The EU has announced retaliatory tariffs against US goods, including Kentucky bourbon and Californian wine, although implementation has been delayed for six months.

Meanwhile, most provinces in Canada have stopped importing American alcoholic beverages in retaliation. The country accounts for about 10% of Kentucky's $9bn (£6.7bn) whiskey and bourbon business.

"That's worse than a tariff, because it's literally taking your sales away, completely removing our products from the shelves ... that's a very disproportionate response," Lawson Whiting, the CEO of Brown-Forman, which produces Jack Daniels, Woodford Reserve and Old Forester, said back in March when Canadian provinces announced their plan to stop buying US booze.

Trump has said that tariffs will boost made-in-American businesses.

But Republican Senator Rand Paul, who represents Kentucky, said the tariffs will hurt local businesses and consumers in his home state.

"Well, tariffs are taxes, and when you put a tax on a business, it's always passed through as a cost. So, there will be higher prices," he told ABC's "This Week" in May.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

people were starting to buy up bourbon bottles not to drink, but as an investment.

"Everyone was going crazy over the bourbon market, and treating like a commodity, like a stock," recalls Robin Wynne, a general manager and beverage director for Little Sister in Toronto, Canada, who has been a bar manager for about 25 years.

"People would go in as a prospector, to flip bottles for two to three times the value."

die

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I know one of these guys! He let me try a "rare" and "antique" whiskey that he bought a fraction of a bottle for ~$2500. It was a 1950s bottle of some mass produced whiskey of the era and that's exactly what it tasted like. Whiskey. There was no more depth to it than Jim beam. It was just old.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

im pretty sure the only value in older whiskeys comes from longer aging in the barrel and once you bottle it that stops really changing so lol

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

A deeply ridiculous "economic system"

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anyone know why there's so many bubbles? Someone must have written a book about it or something.

I know it's not capitalism's fault, though, because it's the best and only economic system.

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

These economic pressures have created a growing list of casualties.

Liquor giant Diageo, reported that sales of Bulleit, a Kentucky distillery that makes bourbon, rye and whiskey, where down 7.3% this fiscal year.

Wild Turkey - a Kentucky bourbon owned by Campari - sales were down 8.1% over the past six months.

While big, international brands will likely be able to weather the storm, the sales hit has led to a growing list of casualties.

In July, LMD Holdings filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy - just one month after opening the Luca Mariano Distillery in Danville, Kentucky.

This spring, Garrard County Distilling went into receivership.

And in January, Jack Daniel's parent company closed a barrel-making plant in Kentucky.

The bottom of the barrel has not yet been reached, warned Mr Lodewijks.

"I'd be extraordinarily surprised if there weren't more bankruptcies and more consolidation," he said.

In part, bourbon has become a victim of its own success - the rise in bourbon sales, and the growth of the premium market, helped fuel many small distilleries. Because bourbon must age in barrels for years, what's on the market today was predicted a few years ago, which means that there is currently an oversupply, which is driving down prices.

But while these economic conditions are harsh, Mr Lodewijks said that history has shown how tough times can create innovation. Scotch whisky used to be fairly simple, a blend of middle-of-the road tipples. But when sales declined in the second part of the 20th centuries, distillers started aging their excess bottles, which helped create the market we have now for premium, aged Scotch whisky.

In Canada, where bourbon imports have slowed to a trickle, local distilleries have started experimenting with bourbon-making methods to give Canadian whiskey a similar taste.

"The tariff war has really done a positive for the Canadian spirits business," noted Mr Wynne.

"We've got lots of grains to make these whiskeys without having to rely on the States."

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

most provinces in Canada have stopped importing American alcoholic beverages in retaliation. The country accounts for about 10% of Kentucky's $9bn (£6.7bn) whiskey and bourbon business.

Liquor giant Diageo, reported that sales of Bulleit, a Kentucky distillery that makes bourbon, rye and whiskey, where down 7.3% this fiscal year.

thonk

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

An incredible self-own

The last line of the article is most telling imo, Canadian producers are figuring out how to home brew bourbon. These changes are going to be structural and permanent. Why import what you can do yourself?

The story repeats itself across many if not all sectors. The intent of the tariffs is to reduce US reliance on foreign imports. Instead it's making foreign importers less reliant on the US

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love to watch the empire crumble. I hate to be in it tho

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

This really does feel like a point of no return. Structural self-imposed contraction in the West and BRICS is thriving, settling trades in local currency

There's just no way the US goes quietly

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[–] IncensedCedar@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

Whiskey is too damn expensive these days. Copper pipes and cracked corn wins out again if you catch my drift

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ketamine > alcohol

Ket has been a functional replacement for alcohol for me. It makes me dance and there's no hangover (relative to alcohol)

[–] vanDerVaartBlackenedRanch@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Be wary of bladder toxicity

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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

Alcohol fucks with my meds, I switched to weed.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

I will gladly not drink out of spite.

Turns out delegating porky to have all the fun has consequences. Us young people are just raring to go and work when you change your mind, porky.

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