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an ∞-D chess move would be Erdogan provoking Israel to attack Turkey... (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago by Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Turkey being a nato country, would invoke article 5. Would love to see how the US would try to wiggle itself out of that one. Either they protect their ally, or nato completely falls apart.

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[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Everyone instinctively understands that there's 3 tiers for NATO members.

Tier 1 - USA
Tier 2 - Western Core (UK, France, etc.)
Tier 3 - Periphery (Turkey, Bulgaria, etc.)

Western hypocrisy has been on display for the past couple of centuries without a problem, so I expect them to smoothly squirm their way out of their obligations when it comes to defending tier 3 nations. Tier 3 nations understand this paradigm already - Poland wouldn't be on a spending spree buying military hardware if they thought that their NATO membership made them untouchable.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

This is the answer.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Turkey hosts US nukes

Senior officials are reportedly discussing whether and how to remove U.S. nuclear weapons from the Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, which raises two questions: Why did we put nukes in Turkey in the first place, and why—almost 30 years after the end of the Cold War—are they still there?

The weapons—50 of them, all B61 nuclear bombs, which can be dropped from F-16 and Tornado jet fighters—are among the Cold War’s hoariest relics. (Another 130 of these bombs are stored at NATO bases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands.)

Be a shame if they got lost.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

They probably have a safety feature to set them off to avoid them getting captured

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does NATO fall apart? Or does everyone in NATO already understand that Israel's special relationship gives them precedence?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They just force Turkey out of NATO us-foreign-policy

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

Actually, I guess it might collapse the Ukrainian front. Ukraine has been fooled into seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, where they push out Russia and are able to join NATO and become Western. If Turkey was expelled, the promise of NATO membership becomes worthless.

The core members know that they're part of the One Map and so have nothing to fear, but Ukraine isn't part of that umbrella.

[–] SkibidiToiletFanAcct@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Article 5 can only be invoked for an attack in Europe or North America. the Asian part of Turkey would not trigger it. this has also meant the conflicts involving the colonies of NATO subjects has not invoked it, like when India invaded Portuguese Goa.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Nah, there's also Article 6 which states that "the territory of Turkey" counts.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh, so Türkiye isn't in Europe now?

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Only when it's convenient.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

It would easily be a repeat of the USS Liberty.