"Let me be very, very clear – it’s time to bomb Palestine after a quick lunch break." Bombie Sanders : chapotraphouse

[+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wonder what it was. Just an empty power grab so he could be the socdem Dianne Feinstein or some promised policy that was immediately and obviously abandoned by the party that hates him? He was an empty cheerleader for my congressman's campaign and that congressman then signed onto a proclamation condemning socialism and saying it would never take root in America.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's cynicism. Maybe at one time he actually thought he could do something if he won, but when he was beaten into the dirt he gave up all hope on anything to the left of Biden. Now he's in a holding pattern trying to bail out Democrats and "save America from fascism" or whatever.

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was already an involved Leftist by the time 2016 came around so I was never too much into Bernie and I never thought he would be allowed to really change much if he won, but that being said it is good there was someone around to talk to young libs about socialism-lite.

For most it may just be or was a phase, maybe some got involved in DSA or something, but even if only a relative few will end up being pushed further Left than Bernie for the rest of their lives because of him then that was worth him running.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I worry there were people who could have been pushed farther Left without Bernie that have instead been pushed into the Democratic Party by him and sheepdogs like him.

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

It's possible, ultimately that was probably the Democratic Party's goal, but same could probably be said about Warren fans. There are always people that could be good Leftists but get caught up in either the Democratic or Republican Party, it's unavoidable when they are the dominant political powers, but it's still surprising there was someone around that got younger people thinking about organizing along the Left.

Libs gonna lib, though.

[–] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

No dude you're not allowed to do that, you can't point out that sheepdogs are effective and that's why that strategy is used, you're supposed to just assume things could never be better

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well i probably wouldn't be here without Bernie. Being as actively involved in the voting process as i was that year have me a front row seat to view how thoroughly it has been corrupted.

but he didn't get me in to the Democratic party, he got me out. I remember after he was ratfucked by the biden campaign, one of his faithful asked him "so what do we do now?" and his answer, vote ended my time as a bernbro

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I worry, but I'm also hopeful that people outgrew Bernie the same way. I think what we really need is a party that can reach out to Bernouts to help move beyond playing voteball every couple years. As it is all we have are Internet communities and podcasts, so only a fraction of people are escaping.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah I think something like that needs to start local

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You get one good shot at the establishment - ONE. Then they either burn you, or turn you.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

if you come at the king, you'd best not ~~miss~~ call him your good friend

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Someone plaster this on his Senate door. flattened-bernie

[+] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not alienating or they'll do what exactly? What's he got to lose?

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Adult in the room here.

Hexbear children don’t understand how politics work and throw their tantrum at the ONE good senator who actually has a realistic chance of stopping bloodshed.

#HistoryWillAbsolveBernie

[–] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

Realpolitik is when you have your cock n' balls chopped off in front of the entire nation and then still grovel for half measures from a position of weakness

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

are you doing a bit lmao

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

The word realistic is doing some mighty heavy lifting there. If he does give a shit about the Palestinian people he could at least go an record saying such since he's long cashed in any political capital he ever had

#HistoryWillForgetBernie

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

This, from the user who says it's valid for communists to support Western hegemony? shocked-pikachu

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Listen, kiddo, champ, chief. maybe-later-kiddo

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

marg bar bernie sanders

[–] Vishram1123@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Berdly Sanders

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He was never ideal on foreign policy, but I do feel like he's gotten worse. I dunno, the way the 2020 primary went, and subsequent, it feels like someone either has blackmail on him or is threatening his family.

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

Or he's just a piece of shit spineless liberal. This ain't new. He voted to invade Afghanistan and he voted to bomb Yugoslavia

[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

He ran a kinda doomed campaign in 2016, which is why he went so hard on Hillary. My pet-theory is that he was planning on retiring soon after 2016 until his campaign actually got steam. He changed in 2020 when he realized he could get concessions by playing nice on the inside.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why is he a bird?

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2wCXKgG1E

it was a whole thing