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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Mike Lee is a notoriously despicable person even by GOP standards and the bill doesn't have any legs. Like, just a week ago he said terrible things about the Minnasotan politicians who were shot dead in their homes, and he's also the one who was pushing to sell off public lands (which he was bullied out of; also seems to be in the pocket of the Mormon cult).

The US stance on NATO is complicated under the current US regime but I doubt it'll be by this assholes bill.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 26 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy ask for?

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 20 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago

"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.

I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

So we dont buy US military kit. It's got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It's increasing looking like they aren't aligned with the free world.

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 44 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months. But Trump already started to refill positions back then.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

They do have active protection; education. Under attack since the dawn of time.

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 13 points 13 hours ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.

And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.

But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:

  • a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
  • USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.

But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 hours ago

Right now nearly all aid to Ukraine comes from Europe and Russia is not able to win that war. At least not easily. That is with Russia in a war economy, whereas Europe half asses deliveries for the most part and obviously there are over a million professional European soldiers with some really good kit around as well.

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[–] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 36 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 25 points 16 hours ago
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