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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 29 minutes ago

Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 1 hour ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[–] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.

This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 hours ago

Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.

It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago
[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 25 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

all of which is advantageous for putin.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it's not actually relevant since it's going nowhere.

[–] b0ber@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east. Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw. Step 3: PROFIT.

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 38 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Unfortunately, that's not how Imperial Presidencies work.

[–] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.

On the other hand... I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn't risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.

Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find "justifications" to raid through middle america and "bring idiocrazy" to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain't "a good godfearing white patriot"... Because... the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum.... Oh god, I've heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies...

Please, anyone stop them now!!!

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.

[–] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes, why do people never learn from history... Especially when it endangers their lives

Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago

USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 hours ago

Gotta make daddy putin happy

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

The worship of limitless work and the military, a toxic obsession with hyper-individualism and isolation, with a paper-thin facade of morals and self-proclaimation of greatness, while everyone is broke, without opportunities, hooked on drugs, and stuck with crumbling infrastructure in vast stretches of remote nothing-land, while getting used and abused by multinational corporations and barons?

Sounds like they're just pushing the mentality of the southern states to a national level.

[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

It's worse: the US president's only remaining power will be military. And when the only tool you have is a hammer...

WWIII is not a meme. It is imperative that the American people correct the course of their nation before it is too late.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

Yes. The most charitable interpretation is that people have forgotten the lessons of the 1900s and think that a replay of Herbert Hoover is a good idea.

Last time it took a few decades and destroying countless lives to fix. Hopefully the cost is lower this time.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nah they want to attack whoever they fell like without having to go through a meeting.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 52 minutes ago

"This is an invasion that could have been an email!"

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