I lost 2 uncles, 1 friend to the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I spent years finding out who dragged us into these wars which costed family members lives and friends' lives, now I'm very pissed with the conclusion.
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US military apologists make me sick.
Veteran here. It's more like: "I'm a fucking idiot, but I could use some healthcare, and that college thing sounds nice."
Plan B was to kill myself, so I don't feel bad about enlisting - I got what I needed from it.
You'd be amazed how few people join because of cliches like patriotism. That said, it'd be way less fucked if people could get things like healthcare and education without needing to agree to blow themselves or others up.
Also a veteran, was about to say, "Don't be so quick to judge, there's a lot of opportunity I. The military for those without other options." That being said, I'm sure as fuck glad I'm out now. I can't even begin to imagine the fuckery going on now.
Idk chief I think if I needed those things I'd organize my community to demand them first and not go into the "will I kill a bunch of innocent foreigners" lottery.
I left "I'm a fucking idiot" in there for a reason. Had I played my cards better in the first place I wouldn't have been stuck weighing whether I should kill myself or put myself into that kind of ethical disaster... which probably would have ended with killing myself anyway.
Lucky for me, they made me a medic, so I never had to find out.
If I killed you and robbed you to "get benefits", am I fucking idiot? am I simply acting fucking stupidly? You can't run away from your responsibility by "waa waaa I am feeling suicidal about being a murderer for a job"
We getting into strawman shit, or are you just not paying attention? The suicidal shit came before the military, not because of it. I've got plenty of real faults if you want to make a dig at any of them - no need to make shit up.
That's too much work, and an uphill battle that they'd rather wage against women, children and unarmed men. Murdering Arabs and Muslims and reinforcing the idea that they don't deserve college or healthcare for the crime of being born on the "wrong country" and only they do sounded a lot more attractive and more fun for this ghoul.
You can tell that they knew exactly what they were getting into, and even if they didn't, that would still not be an excuse.
Next, they and the other imperial loving devils will try to plead for you to "consider being nuanced".
Bruh, that ain't gonna feed or house you while you're doing all that.
Unless I'm mistaken, there's still other ways to feed and house yourself that don't involve signing up for the wall street Wehrmacht. Like, I imagine living inside the empire it's normalized as hell but I don't think there's any excuse not to know nowadays.
Statesians having a choice of aiding the big murder machine or having an uphill battle to live in dignity is pretty shitty, but I think that animosity should be directed to the government and not people who think it's still pretty ghoulish to act like there wasn't even a choice. People used to go to jail for dodging the draft and some of y'all act like soldiers are all enlisted at gunpoin bc they offer you college and insurance.
Awesome, who taught you how to organize your community and which community volunteered their HUGE amount of spare time and effort for your benefit?
Some of us had a fucking choice between dying homeless or learning to survive in the military, and you removed about it now is a weak-ass bitter excuse for venting your frustration at the wrong goddamn people.
See, this is what I'm talking about. Your life isn't worth more than that of many, many foreigners. It's one thing to be like "I didn't know any better and I regret it" and quite another to put on the whole Chris Kyle self martyrdom piece.
Awesome, who the hell raised you and which one of the NATO states do you belong to that disperses the HUGE spoils of their imperialism for your benefit?
Murdered children, women and unarmed men across the fucking planet didn't have A choice, ANY choice in the matter especially considering that they were already struggling under unending sanctions, occupation, wars, genocide, or a combination of all of the previous. You thoughtless motherfuckers pretend like you're perpetual victims when you WILLINGLY volunteer to steal the lives of entire family lines, or help others do so, just so you and only you yourself can have a shot at life.
Ghoul.
Sees desperate people getting coerced by the military-industrial complex into signing their lives away for the promise of an education and a slim chance to escape the cycle of poverty.
"Fucking idiots."
Edit: Attacking the people being fed into the meat grinder of the military-industrial complex instead of the military-industrial complex itself is just boot-licking with extra steps.
Desperate people make stupid decisions. People who make repeated stupid decisions are referred to as idiots. So umm... Yeah.
The most desperate US citizen is still far more privileged than the people overseas they were sent to murder.
Yeah that is right, fucking loser idiots. I'd rather have a million living Iraqis than one dipshit American having a chance at the pathetic education on offer in that country.
Yes, they are.
I mean… yes.
I'm so glad Trump is discharging trans soldiers, at least they won't have to die in a stupid war.
honestly yeah, if the brainwashed chud households end up shedding more blood and the sane people who know better manage to avoid it, that's a net good for the world.
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This was me when I was younger, unfortunately :( Doesn't help that I was born in a one stoplight backwater town in the rural deep South, and had all those wonderful right wing "virtues" and fundamentals drilled into me.
That being said, the silver lining is that the army helped expose me to others from different walks of life. It really helped me open my mind and become a better person.
(I'm certainly not being a military apologist, just saying that it can sometimes be a good thing in some cases. If I hadn't joined I might still be in that damn town, or near it with that old mindset)
The band Gay for Johnny Depp has a song that ends with the line, "if you've never read a newspaper and you want to be all you can be, join the army."
When I was young and homeless and ignorant and had no self esteem
You took me in, gave me food, clothing, safety, training, community, challenges, a paycheck
From your patience when I screwed up I learned to keep trying
From your teaching I learned a path to survival
All you asked was a few years of work and maybe for me to take risks
But even then you taught me how to take risks as safely as possible
Oh wait
No
Sorry, that was the military, ha! Whoops, you didn't fucking help one bit. You just sat on your ass whining with no solutions.
Oh well, maybe next time!
I'd rather have a million living Iraqis than you.
I'm not such a fan of this view anymorr. Many of the people who go into the military actually believe they are going to do good things for the world but are ignorant of how much evil they will be asked to do most of the time, or like the idea of being of service but can't get into other, better forms of service because those organizations prefer those who have gone to a university or work on a volunteer basis.
Many of the people who go into the military actually believe they are going to do good things for the world but are ignorant of how much evil they will be asked to do most of the time
This level of ignorance is not only dangerous, it's close to inexcusable in the 21st century.