So basically the Americans get Chinese-Style authoritarianism, but without the prosperity
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yeah all the worst parts without any of the benefits, like education or healthcare
Competition for places in universities and even good doctors in China is crazy, or so I've heard. In general it's a "dog eat dog" society much more than the US one, despite common misconceptions about both.
I dunno what "prosperity" they mean, the ability to actually start and finish projects is spectacular for China, yes. That's why western nations are trying to hurt Chinese logistics, attacking their sources of raw materials, markets and routes. But the average Chinese man does not yet have an easier life than the average US-American.
I am originally from the States but moved to Australia.
Before I moved away I lived in a bible belt state that was one of the 18 US states that have a "tipped minimum wage" of $2.13 an hour. In those states if you have a job that earns tips you get paid $2.13 an hour, and your employer is supposed to match that wage to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.
However you can imagine if you are one of the lucky ones who has a job in the only restaurant in town, that asking your boss for those missing wages after a slow night is not going to get you anything but fired. There are dozens of other desperate people willing to take your place in a heartbeat.
I find a lot of people aren't aware of the situation for large swathes of the US. The amount of people who are homeless or hungry or sick with no help is astronomical for a "first world country".
What I find interesting is that after a cursory google search it would appear that China indeed has minimum wages, and those are interestingly not far off that $2.13 an hour.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/minimum-wages-china/
The lowest hourly minimum wage in a province I could find was 16.5 RMB which works out to $2.30 an hour.
Now there are of course nuances here, like those jobs in China not being tipped, the cost of living, healthcare, etc.
I do think that things in the States are becoming more dire than most realise, and things in China have been steadily getting better.
In any case I feel very privileged to live in Australia and raise my children here.
if you take averages with the ungodly wealth disparity you will make faulty conclusions. Americans don't go to the doctor unless they're pretty sure they're dying.
I've seen someone break their leg and beg people around them not to call an ambulance because apparently emergency is also not only paid but also obscenely expensive. ask Americans about affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable housing... or affordable eggs.
Yes exactly
It becomes funny when you realize what China has in comparison.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[4][7] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".
That this is how the us gets a national registry is so hilariously fitting.
Hey, we had a whole Orville episode on how this was a shit plan. The US Media trashed China for this plan.
well zuck is gonna be pissed it wasn't him....
Don't worry, I'm sure Facebook's data is in that database as well
This is a beauracracy to purge Americans.
You could call it a 'Masterbase'.
yeah the Nazi shit snuck into this meme with the "kosher tier" shit on the text of the phone is gonna be a no from me dogg. Israel loves antisemitism actually. It would be a good idea to actually fight antisemitism and help Jewish people everywhere feel safe so they don't buy into Israeli BS telling them they're only safe there.
Huh?
Brought to you by the party of:
- small government
- personal freedoms
- statesβ rights
- less spending
- free speech
- religious liberty
I mean, it's been brought by both your parties.
Don't bother. Hypocrisy is the gas, and cognitive dissonance the oil that power Conservatism.
And racism, anger and fear are the highly reactive napalm that drives their dumpster fire of a train wreck
Always relevant:
Don't tread on me unless I'm too chickenshit to make you pay.
That's what it means. It's just that ancaps usually dream of a situation of some widespread ancap ethics and ancap solidarity, so that "making them pay" is possible. While IRL it's not. Solidarity is hard for humans. Building it on the ancap basis is even harder because ancap just doesn't address human herd instincts.
The proper political ideology IMHO is bog standard ancap+Georgism logically, but with socialist aesthetics and dynamics. Something similar to anarcho-syndicalism and Trotskyism, but with the individual part more pronounced. These are not really contradictory to each other, because the right libertarian part here approaches rules and logic and feedbacks, while the socialist part approaches projects. These are different layers of the same system, they are perfectly compatible. Like L3 and L4 in computer networks.
it's okay guys! The NRA said they were here to prevent this sort of thing!
We're in goooood hands!
Oh yea they will rise up but they will stand on the side of tyranny.
Don't be afraid of them. Say it all loudly and often.
Donald Trump is a traitor who should have been hung years ago. Elon Musk is a Nazi who should be beaten to death in the streets. Palantir should be dismantled for supporting and enabling fascism around the world. All billionaires should be publicly executed for crimes against humanity. The current American government is an enemy of freedom and democracy around the globe and should be overthrown by force if peaceful means are no longer possible, which looks more and more each day to be an accurate assessment of the situation.
Fear will not silence us. We have more power than they ever will. All we have to do is decide to use it.
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Make America North Korea Again!
I didnβt remember emigrating to China.
Damn, this dude has to pick the shittiest aspects of every other country and implement them. But even the shitty countries have socialized health care and things like paid maternal leave. Does he pick those features? Of course not.
Nobody here in China knows wtf a social credit score is. Also the healthcare is less socialized than your average European country, but they do take measures to keep costs down.
boomers will be dead and gone and not have to deal with it
classic fucking boomers
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Writing about the secret social credit system:
-200 good boy points
Between this and the ICE contractor ShadowDragon using their platform SocialNet to track "potential threats" it's beginning to paint a grim picture.
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Hi, im potential threat #3EF728.
Anyone who would use this metric to categorize me in the first place is inherently a threat to me.
Figure that one out.
Hello, potential threat CSS lime green
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next up credit scores based on Palantir db.
Isn't that what credit score already is?
Just expand that, maybe with generative AI since the accuracy doesn't matter.
/s
Just use musk logic: the data is incomplete, so extrapolate missing data with data you feel should constitute proper results
Yes, basically this.
And when you have an industry surrounding it (specialised companies that do only this & fund lobbies) the system just becomes a perpetual business for the sake of it, can't get rid of it.
Like filling for taxes in USA (or did that just recertify change?).
Or private prisons.
Too much profit incentive & too many people involved to allow it to be dismantled once it became obvious the product doesn't work/it doesn't give any added value.
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Planter nooooooooooo
Every accusation is projection once again
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