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[–] scytale@lemmy.zip 120 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

So fishing for sport where they catch and release is basically torture by getting injured by the hook and then asphyxiating for however long they are out of water before being released.

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 168 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yup. But deep down we all kinda knew that, right? It was always fish torture for sport.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Now I'm wondering where noodling is on this scale.

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[–] SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.works 41 points 10 months ago (13 children)

This article in particular is talking about when leaving fish in open air or ice water for the purpose of slaughter. Obviously that would hurt until the fish dies.

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[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The stats on fish survival after being caught and released is actually pretty sad. If I remember correctly there was a lengthy study that showed a survival rate of only like 40%.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Was this the fish passing after a few minutes, hours, days? If you remember at all. Was there any controlling for gill damage during the catch? I know some idiots who will hold them up by the gills for pictures, I wonder if that causes damage? Or just dying from shock? I wonder if I can find the study

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[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Suddenly all the cutesy indie life sims with fishing minigames don’t seem so wholesome any more

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Feeling like a fish out of water sounds much darker now.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I remember there was a study done on how to best slaughter swine (pigs).

The methods that were investigated included: a mechanical hit on the head, suffocation in CO2, and some other measures.

What was found was not only that the suffocation method caused significant stress in the animals, but also that the meat collected this way tasted way worse than meat collected through other slaughtering methods.


this could be relevant in this case: if fish suffocate slowly to death, meat producers might have a financial incentive to change that, to be able to sell better-quality meat, possibly at a higher price. anyways, it would make for good advertisement. that is why meat-producers (fish-producers) should take this seriously.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (4 children)

And the reason we still use CO2 slaughter instead of something like Nitrogen is because.... They already have machines built for CO2 and just don't want to pay the cost of changing practices.

Pure greed and laziness.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also co2 is easier because you can fill a pit with it, nitrogen will just float about and disperse.

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[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

My slaughterhouse uses radon. The meat makes my testicle feel funny, and we throw up a lot. And I haven't had hair in years. But it's cheap! And so tender.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I never understood the CO2 suffocation idea.. I mean, I don't k ow about fish, but mammals supposedly have a good detection for CO2 in their blood and it'll set off panic alarms everywhere.

Ignoring the vegetarian discussion for a minute, if they could at least use a different gas, say nitrogen or something, it should be a lot less stressful for the animals

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Are you insane? This gas costs a twelfth of a cent more! There's no way we could implement this."

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 10 months ago

Without water, the delicate gill structures that exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide stick together, causing CO2 from respiration to accumulate. These rising levels trigger nociception – the body's alarm system – which causes the fish to gasp. Eventually the elevated CO2 levels acidify the animal's blood and cerebrospinal fluid, ultimately resulting in unconsciousness.

Holy shit. That's horrific.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The article does a shitty job of linking to the paper

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-04272-1

It makes a pretty good case that fish experience a lot of pain immediately after being taken out of the water.

I don't think this will do much to impact commercial fishing, it seems like it's targeted at the slaughter stages of fish farms

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is why net fishing is so problematic (apart from obvious environmental conserns and bycatch).

Stun your fish people. Don’t let their blood clot and lungs collapse while still conscious for multiple minutes. It’s cruel.

[–] kindernacht@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Let their lungs collapse?...

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[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is that Kurt Cobain was wrong and it's actually not OK to eat fish because they do, in fact, have feelings?

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How about a new sport... Catch the fish under water and slap him a little, but not too hard?

Or how about just riding your rubber boat to where the fish are, then dropping a speaker and shouting "fuck you fish!" Threw the speaker? You could even hurt them intellectually!

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it's a lot manlier and cooler to stand in the water and grab the fish with your bare hands anyways, then you can look it in the face and tell it to fear god before letting it go

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[–] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I believe this is why Japanese fishermen will sometimes use the ikijime method where you kill the fish fast. I believe it also improves the quality of the meat too.

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[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

that's why there is Ikejime, the japanese method to dispatch fish

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm still not going to tell you where my secret fishing spot is, no matter how many times you ask or scientific studies you perform.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

there's a trend on TikTok where you catfish (heh) men and ask them what their favorite fishing spot is

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This is why you just shoot them in the head with a harpoon when you take them out of the water

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Bring back dynamite fishing then!

[–] Steelkrill@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Poor thing :(

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I was under the impression that to a fish pain is more of a "get out of there" signal than what it is to us.

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