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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Must be good to know you are disliked by the majority of a city

[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 1 day ago

Devided? Between who?

Checks article: And Its berween the people who have lives there versus the ruling class who are about to profit because of course.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Bezos’ is hardly the only high-dollar wedding to be held in the city — not least George and Amal Clooney’s nuptials in 2014, which were cheered on by locals.

Yeah don't confuse the Clooneys for Bezos, please. Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it's artists, sportsball players, etc. That is, don't confuse celebrities and feudal lords. Venice is an ancient and serene republic, have some self-respect.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Whether an actor should be a half-billionaire is up for debate but if anyone should have that kind of money yes it’s artists, sportsball players, etc.

Why would it be more fair for them than CEOs? I'm not defending this one but asking in general.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Artists are on a gift-based economy. They gain status by giving away works. If you are the best artist in the world but don't make an effort to share your works, you are irrelevant. The more they give away the more they are recognised. Even if they give them away via pirated works. See: movies, songs that everybody knows and resonates with. Status is their currency, not money.

The status then allows them to obtain more money than other people, incidentally.

CEOs are on a market-based economy, they sell goods and services for money. They don't sell their status. The goods and services they sell are not theirs, but created with the stolen sweat, blood and lives of the people that work for them, which get a minuscule share of the profit for the amount of life they put onto it.

In gift-based economies such as the ones of artists, open source developers, fashion, cultures without scarcities of the specific resource that makes the economy (such as small plentiful tropical tribes, communes, etc), the status is the currency.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because an entertainer/athlete gets a paycheck for doing a job. They're not getting rich underpaying employees.

The debatable part comes in when you get more nuanced than that: The richest of them probably derive most of their wealth from investments once they've accumulated enough capital. Their industry requires the efforts of many underpaid people (even if they don't directly get a say in that). Anyone that keeps (not just earns) a billion wakes up every morning and decides not to solve homelessness in their city. Etc.

But a 20mm paycheck to put asses in seats is a paycheck, not exploitation.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Artists give. When they actually work. At their real jobs. Dubno if they deserve more than scientists or steel workers, but if it turns out we do actually need inequaluty and theres a lottery for which professions make you rich, i won't begrudge them a win.

Ceo's take, ruin, defile everything they touch. The meth addict who wanders around the city pissing on things is closer to a net positive than a ceo. The MBA and its various spawn was the final genocidal victory lap of the confederacy, and their purée must all soak the soil before the tree of freedom can grow.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The vast majority of CEOs don't become billionaires, most billionaires are born with a golden spoon in their mouth, and the rest got there by stepping on everyone else's backs. That's rewarding sociopathy.

Artists and athletes don't do either, they work to get good at their craft and, crucially, would be doing the same thing even if they were not as successful as they are. You can count them as petite bourgeois which of course come in good and bad but as artists and athletes are not, by trade, businesspeople they tend to very much fall on the good side. Like, you won't see Clooney undermining the actor's union -- on the contrary, he's advocated for raising his own union dues. And when they use their money to start a business you don't tend to get another Oracle or something but ARCH Motorcycles. Give me one reason why, in luxury space anarchism, the answer to Keanu Reeves saying "I want to build cool motorcycles, you in?" the answer of the collective wouldn't range from "hell yes" to "meh but you guys do you". He'd get all the resources he'd need: He entertained and uplifted billions, of course we'll chime in.

OTOH, of course, fuck J.K. Rowling. But unlike with the golden spoon billionaires she's the exception, not the norm.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

arch motorcycles

Wait, there was actual product placement in cyberpunk 2077? Also yes. Even without post scarcity, that's a perfectly lovely way to get around.

ceos bad

Also, the mba was the invention of robert e lee. It was revenge for 'ending' slavery, and the seeds from which it rose more powerful than before.

So, you know; fuck them. They are a poison. Turn stanford to glass.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

It's a couple more actually. That list also mentions brands that are in other games and source books but e.g. Porsche is definitely in 2077.

[–] delcaran@feddit.it 10 points 1 day ago

My 2cents: Bezos money comes from other people's works, entertainers money comes from the perception that other people has of their work. Of course there are exceptions.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

George Clooney is rich. Jeff bezos is wealthy

[–] remon@ani.social 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, Italy does have a lot of Luigis ... so there is hope.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

i mean, honestly, here's europe's chance to do what they claim americans are too scared to do.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] remon@ani.social 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

On an unrelated note, did you know that in a lot of European countries it's totally legal to own a crossbow? You can just order one online.

[–] FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago

I mean it's not like Luigi used a legal gun anyway. It was unserialized and partially 3D printed.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 298 points 2 days ago (17 children)

“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”

They found the dumbest possible American to give a comment.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

that is ok, none of these require cold turkey approaches. you start by protesting Jeff's wedding, you continue by replacing some of your amazon shopping with alternatives, next you know you are only using amazon a couple times a year at most. This would already be enough I think as amazon relies on a much higher level of consumerism.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

The dumbest American with a passport.

Of course there are far dumber Americans but they aren't the kind who travel to Europe.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Them protesting peacefully is exactly why Bezos will eventually get things his way.

Please notice that Brugnaro, mayor of Venice, is politically spawned out of Berlusconi's party, Forza Italia.

Italian lesson: "Dio li fa, e poi li accoppia": "God makes them, and then pairs them"

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, it's not that difficult.

At least they found one that could form a coherent sentence.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As an American, I think finding the dumbest of us would be hard given the amount of competition.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I didn't think it was that hard at all, he's in the news every day!

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[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Americans seem to overestimate how big Amazon is here in Europe. Most people I know rarely buy anything off Amazon, a couple have Amazon Prime to watch content on, but that's mostly it.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But even if you do buy on Amazon sometimes, why should that make you on board with surrendering your city to this billionaire? It's part of this toxic obsession of finding minor 'gotchas'/hypocrisies instead of debating substance. You MUST subscribe to every belief of team A and hate everything from team B.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 points 12 hours ago

Americans are fucking weird with defending and warshiping their millionaires and celebrities.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Both are probably wrong so would be nice to have data instead. Here in Belgium checking out from postal workers deliveries or on recycling garbage day I can see a lot of Amazon parcels unfortunately. Your observation is not wrong, neither is mine, so the question rather is how relevant they are when scaled to all of Europe.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Seeing as they are on a wine tour, it's probably another out of touch millionaire

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[–] defaultsamson@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Recently visited Venice, and it was an excellent place.

From my observations, there is not really a place for big business there; no big roads, hardly any trains, essentially no commercial transport besides small boats. In a place as such, goliaths like Amazon are likely out-competed by local businesses.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 185 points 2 days ago (4 children)

“You’re telling me none of these people shop on Amazon?” said New Orleans native Jake Springer, who, along with his wife, was spending a weekend in Venice on a wine tour through Italy. “At least they are protesting peacefully. Americans could learn a thing or two from this.”

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 82 points 2 days ago

That person sounds absolutely insufferable.

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao the governors tell people to run over protestor here if they are in the street. Both methods block travel in the city, Venice is just specifically aimed at inconveniencing Bezos rather than the general populace.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 64 points 1 day ago

Though the details of the Bezos wedding are highly guarded beyond the rumored $10-million budget

Ok so I'm not going to say that we all need to eat dirt so long as anyone is worse off than we are, but that's a lot of money that could be spent on anything else.

I'm not christian but camel through the eye of a needle, man. You can't be a good person when you're sitting on that much wealth, and Bezos isn't even trying.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 100 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People of Venice! The time has come to show the world what you're made of, and more importantly, what you've got inside.

Let the canals bear witness to your courage. Not with arms, but with... offerings. I want to see a million floating turds on that sacred day. Let this wedding be remembered. Not for love, but for sheer intestinal audacity.

Take a stand, take a squat, and defecate for dignity.

Fate la storia. Fate galleggiare la gloria.

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 2 days ago

Fuck you Bezos

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