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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 32 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 43 points 4 hours ago

Satellite photos of the strikes Israel took against the Arak nuclear facility show Israel can be quite precise if it wants to be

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 51 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (7 children)

Please I am BEGGING YOU to stop citing these questionable cloutchaser accounts as fact! "Iran Military Twitter" is not official. "Middle East Spectator" has a history of spreading fake news...

These are real official accounts below:

Hezbollah English Language Official Telegram

Ayatollah Khamenei English Language Official Telegram

Al Maydeen English

Al Masirah English

Al Akhbar English

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[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 37 points 4 hours ago

Sayed Abdul-Malik al Houthi is speaking live. Presstv has an English dub live.

https://rumble.com/v6ucyop-presstv-live.html

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 53 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Seems to be a constant transfer of equipment occurring between the US and Europe

I reiterate my belief that the decision has already been made. This amount of movement isn't happening on a "maybe we'll do it". It's happening because it's been decided.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

They wouldn't have made such a big scene about potentially intervening if their plan all along was to sit on their asses for a week for the logistics to catch up.

Trump is stalling and the neocons are still signalling for buildup because they want to convince him it'll be an overwhelming tactical and strategic victory like when they struck Syria.

The armed forces will make their movements as they see fit. There are a lot of embarassed egos who will want to look strong after the houthi fiasco, but in the end they have to wait for the guy who better or worse isnt gonna necessarily follow the whispers in his ears.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 28 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Trump is a genuine wildcard here and it's not out of the question that he might just pull the plug if he doesn't like the vibe.

[–] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago

He could also just say the US is only there to keep the strait of Hormuz open and otherwise won’t interfere in the war, and then just float some boats around for a while before slowly peeling them back to a small handful.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] jack@hexbear.net 33 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

honestly, yeah

the TACO shit's annoying when the libs won't stfu but it ain't wrong

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

I think something happens first, then chickening out after it doesn't go exactly the way he imagines it to go.

[–] rufuscrispo@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

this sounds right. perhaps trump's only consistent personality trait is possessing a bully's instinct for sniffing out losers. he also declares victory regardless of his situation. the dems finally got him in a mug shot and he hangs in in the oval office like a trophy lol

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 19 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, one big attack where Iran smacks back, Trump says "mission accomplished, Israel has already won the war, the very tough Supreme Leader made a hard bargain, but I've brought peace - something Obama could never do" and then he falls asleep.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 58 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

🇮🇷 The Iranian armed forces display missiles adorned with the images of the martyrs—Commander Yahya al-Sinwar 🇵🇸 and General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah 🇱🇧

The Arabic text on the missile in the image reads: “إِنَّا مِنَ الْمُجْرِمِينَ مُنتَقِمُونَ” “Indeed, We will take retribution from the criminals.”

This is a verse from the Qur’an, Surah As-Sajdah (32:22).

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 30 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Hey news heads, does anyone have any predictions about DPRK-ROK relations changing with Lee Jae-Myung as president? Seems to be very lib economically but pushing for less Japan/US reliance and more PRC/DPRK relations, though that's compared to Yoon. Are we predicting more of a sunshine policy kind of shift, or something further as the US Empire is clearly declining? What's the status on the ground in the ROK as the economy falters and the contradictions in class society sharpen?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Both sides have undertaken actions that appear to be an honest attempt at softening the heated buildup between one another we've seen in recent years. For example the south stopped blaring propaganda speakers over the border and the north reciprocated by doing the same. A small thing, but it indicates that there is a willingness to soften and that if the ROK stops doing something first the DPRK will reciprocate.

Will that lead to other talks? I have no idea. Maybe? Trust needs establishing first.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Call me a lib, but the US Empire's decay leading to the re-establishment of the PRK that the US Empire strangled in its crib without the necessity of all-out war seems like the best-case scenario for a return to one Korea, and Socialism in the south. The chaebol will have to be overthrown, but I genuinely think there's hope for a peaceful reunion in the long-run. I dunno, maybe that's me getting high on hopium, but the division of Korea is heartbreaking.

[–] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It is unfortunately an unfinished revolution and likely will require armed force to resolve 🥲 but who knows 反对本本主义

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 13 points 4 hours ago

It's probably hopium on my part, I know. I just hope the way it's resolved is via internal ROK revolution, rather than armed conflict between the DPRK and ROK, as the latter would be far bloodier and far more devastating for countless innocents, especially if the US Empire is still in power at the time of conflict.

The more I read about the history of the Korean people the more heartbreaking it is.

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[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 37 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The Courage of the Comrades (2025)

An interview with one of the fighting comrades, “Abu Ghassan,” a field commander in the Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, the military wing of the PFLP, who talks about the strength and courage of the comrades, military operations, and their lives in the Al-Aqsa Flood Battle.

https://tankie.tube/w/wiNeWPxkRc9pvmoNkMAr76

https://t.me/PalestineTunes/455

[–] faiz_ahmad_faiz@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

we were racing to clash like lovers racing to meet

Absolutely brilliant, please keep posting these!

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago

God Palestinian commies are the most poetic mfs ever to breathe the same air as us. Mashallah.

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[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 30 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Is this true & not old footage?

Iran’s missiles made direct impact in Gush Dan, Petah Tikva, Ramat Gan, Holon and Tel Aviv, Israel.

https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1935560648622223726

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 64 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Uri Misgav-Haaretz: No one guarantees that we will reach "post-war" with Iran. Even in Gaza, we have been drowning for 622 days without an exit plan. Soldiers are being killed, prisoners are abandoned, and shells and bullets kill civilians and hungry children daily who rush with whatever strength they have left toward flour trucks.

Netanyahu's appetite here knows no bounds. Look how quickly we moved from "preventing an Iranian nuclear threat" to bombing a television station and university, and delusions about "redrawing the region" and regime change. What about our own regime? Who will address the destruction, and who will lead life under an endless war of attrition? Netanyahu and Yinon Magal? Miri Regev and Ben Gvir? The Chief Rabbis?

When the opposition and media surrender to Netanyahu and his wars, falling in love with planes and missiles as the only solution to everything, this puts me, as a Zionist and liberal, under existential threat. No less real than Iran's threat.

lmao liberal zionists are hilarious

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

shells and bullets kill civilians and hungry children daily who rush with whatever strength they have left toward flour trucks

Yea I wonder how shells and bullets end up killing civilians.

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