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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 62 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (8 children)

hersh says we ball

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/what-i-have-been-told-is-coming-in

I have been told that the White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran, but the ultimate targets, the centrifuges buried at least eighty meters below the surface at Fordow, will, as of this writing, not be struck until the weekend. The delay has come at Trump’s insistence because the president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday. (Trump took issue on social media this morning with a Wall Street Journal report that said he had decided on the attack on Iran, writing that he had yet to decide on a path forward.)

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 29 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I'm becoming a "things happen" person now

[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

Things happen but they don't change much, just isn't as catchy.

[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 20 points 7 hours ago

somethings sometimes happen

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 30 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday.

This can't possibly matter

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

"Why did the stock market dip?"

"Because we bombed Iran."

"Oh."

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 25 points 7 hours ago

"will the line go down?" come on donny what do you think

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

Honestly if all countries would learn to stop believing anything that Trump says. That goes for the vast majority of us as well.

If Seymour Hersh is correct, he is lying about the two weeks, and will rain down hell sometime this weekend?

fell-for-it-again

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 25 points 7 hours ago

Haven't 20 months of genocide and the nature of the attacks on Iran solidified too much support for the Iranian "regime" at this point? Their plan is to bog down Iran in a never-ending insurgency and civil war.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 33 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Full article; top level summary is that the US is going in and pushing for full regime change, reliant on a popular uprising (fits the narrative we've already scoped out of what the Israelis were hoping for with Friday's strikes):

This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.

I have reported from afar on the nuclear and foreign policy of Israel for decades. My 1991 book The Samson Option told the story of the making of the Israeli nuclear bomb and America’s willingness to keep the project secret. The most important unanswered question about the current situation will be the response of the world, including that of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president who has been an ally of Iran’s leaders.

The United States remains Israel’s most important ally, although many here and around the world abhor Israel’s continuing murderous war in Gaza. The Trump administration is in full support of Israel’s current plan to rid Iran of any trace of a nuclear weapons program while hoping the ayatollah-led government in Tehran will be overthrown.

I have been told that the White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran, but the ultimate targets, the centrifuges buried at least eighty meters below the surface at Fordow, will, as of this writing, not be struck until the weekend. The delay has come at Trump’s insistence because the president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday. (Trump took issue on social media this morning with a Wall Street Journal report that said he had decided on the attack on Iran, writing that he had yet to decide on a path forward.)

Fordow is home to the remaining majority of Iran’s most advanced centrifuges that have produced, according to recent reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to which Iran is a signatory, nine hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 60 percent, a short step from weapons-grade levels.

The most recent Israeli bombing attacks on Iran have made no attempts to destroy the centrifuges at Fordow, which are stored at least eighty meters underground. It has been agreed, as of Wednesday, that US bombers carrying bunker bombs capable of penetrating to that depth, will begin attacking the Fordow facility this weekend.

The delay will give US military assets throughout the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean—there are more than two dozen US Air Force bases and Navy ports in the region—a chance to prepare for possible Iranian retaliation. The assumption is that Iran still has some missile and air force capability that will be on US bombing lists. “This is a chance to do away with this regime once and for all,” an informed official told me today, “and so we might as well go big.” He said, however, “that it will not be carpet bombing.”

The planned weekend bombing will also have new targets: the bases of the Republican Guards, which have countered those campaigning against the revolutionary leadership since the violent overthrow of the shah of Iran in early 1979.

The Israeli leadership under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hopes that the bombings will provide “the means of creating an uprising” against Iran’s current regime, which has shown little tolerance for those who defy the religious leadership and its edicts. Iranian police stations will be struck. Government offices that house files on suspected dissenters in Iran will also be attacked.

The Israelis apparently also hope, so I gather, that Khamenei will flee the country and not make a stand until the end. I was told that his personal plane left Tehran airport headed for Oman early Wednesday morning, accompanied by two fighter planes, but it is not known whether he was aboard.

Only two thirds of Iran’s population of 90 million are Persians. The largest minority groups include Azeris, many of whom have long-standing covert ties to the Central Intelligence Agency, Kurds, Arabs, and Baluchis. Jews make up a small minority group there, too. (Azerbaijan is the site of a large secret CIA base for operations in Iran.)

Bringing back the shah’s son, now living in exile in near Washington, has never been considered by the American and Israeli planners, I was told. But there has been talk among the White House planning group that includes Vice President J.D. Vance, of installing a moderate religious leader to run the country if Khamenei is deposed. The Israelis bitterly objected to the idea. “They don’t give a shit on the religious issue, but demand a political puppet to control,” the longtime US official said. “We are split with the Izzies on this. Result would be permanent hostility and future conflict in perpetuity, Bibi desperately trying to draw US in as their ally against all things Muslim, using the plight of the citizens as propaganda bait.”

There is the hope in the American and Israeli intelligence communities, I was told, that elements of the Azeri community will join in a popular revolt against the ruling regime, should one develop during the continued Israeli bombing. There also is the thought that some members of the Revolutionary Guard would join in what I was told might be “a democratic uprising against the ayatollahs”—a long-held aspiration of the US government. The sudden and successful overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in Syria was cited as a potential model, although Assad’s demise came after a long civil war.

It is possible that the result of the massive Israeli and US bombing attack could leave Iran in a state of permanent failure, as happened after the Western intervention in Libya in 2011. That revolt resulted in the brutal murder of Muammar Gaddafi, who had kept the disparate tribes there under control. The futures of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, all victims of repeated outside attacks, are far from settled.

Donald Trump clearly wants an international win he can market. To accomplish that, he and Netanyahu are taking America to places it has never been.

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 21 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Jesus this sounds terrible.

Ive been very pessimistic about Iran. They are up on their own against the US empire. Maybe Pakistan can deter them? Idk

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 19 points 6 hours ago

I've only been getting more optimistic about Iran actually; about a month ago I thought conventionally, Iran vs Israel was a fairly even match, but now it feels like taking into account the failure of the Israeli initial strikes and how they've had to cover these failures with Ukraine-esque propaganda campaigns (they're re-using a lot of the same footage from different angles and saying that they're bombing with jets when evidence suggests drones/missiles instead, etc), combined with the myriad failures of the actual use of American weaponry on various battlefields over the last couple decades, not least lately in Yemen, Iran could very well conceivably beat Israel+US

The West is very bad at wars of attrition, so basically if Iran survives the initial phase (we'll only know the duration when it's actually happening) then they're in the clear

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Smaller nations have been on their own against the USAmerican imperium. There will be tremendous bloodshed, no doubt, it'll be horrific, but Iran will win. There is nothing the United States can do, outside of flattening the entire country with nukes, that will defeat them in the manner that they want. Even the total destruction of almost every building in North Korea did not defeat them.

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago

There will be tremendous bloodshed, no doubt, it'll be horrific

This is exactly what im pessimistic about

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 30 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Wonderful. Regime change. Always goes well.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago

If your success criteria depends on popular uprising it's time for a strategy refresh

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago

It goes well for Porky.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 21 points 7 hours ago
[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 29 points 8 hours ago

trump is never not playing the markets

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is Trump expecting the market to go up when he attacks Iran?

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 18 points 7 hours ago

Giving people time to make moves, perhaps.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 17 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not about to subscribe. Text pls.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I posted the full article above just FYI