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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (21 children)

NEW: Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up, sources familiar with the matter told @Reuters

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[–] AcidLeaves@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Y'all are not gonna like this but I think it's in China's best interests to keep their allies like Russia and Iran fighting for as long as possible rather than joining and help win the war and they definitely recognize this. Non intervention has a big benefit of being to supply people with weapons and materials for a long amount of time. Essentially the same method that US took to become a superpower after WWII

Until their borders and sovereignty are threatened again like the Korean War, they'll never join any war in any real capacity other than trading more and making cash

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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (4 children)

How much will the Israeli war on Iran cost?

Hebrew Channel 13 wrote on its website about the cost of the Israeli war on Iran:

"Armament, compensation, and disruption of commercial life - how much will Israelis pay for the war on Iran?" Even if the war against Iran ends within days, its cost has become significant: security costs, property damage, disruption of economic life, and compensation for commercial interests and citizens. The total cost will be between 50-100 billion shekels, a price that every Israeli will feel.

Not clear whether that 50-100bn figure (approx $10-20bn USD) is simply totalling all the costs so far or a general estimate for the overall cost the war will have. Total GDP of the entity is around $500bn USD for context.

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Ballistic missile attack on Israel from Iran ongoing (23:39 UTC) according to alert systems.

10+ ballistic missiles incoming

Attack over, 00:00 UTC, 1 potential impact plus shrapnel/debris.

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[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

Soooo is this going to be a Soleimani situation where the Iranians just take the hit rather than start a huge war?

Maybe the play is just to acquiesce and not retaliate too hard, salvage the nuclear program, test a nuke as soon as possible, and sit back and enjoy not being fucked with like the DPRK

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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

There's a difficult truth to accept in the past few years. Yemen, Ukraine, and the US-israel blob, for varying reasons, are the only states in the world at present that are actually willing to fight a modern war with all the force they can muster. It's no surprise that all three have succeeded in their wars beyond the expectations of many doubters. When are others going to wake up and realise that this war isn't something you can close your door to and hope it goes away? This is a world war and cannot be prevented or contained.

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[–] Lisitsyn@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Ayatollah Khamenei Warns US to Avoid Military Engagement against Iran

In a televised message released on Wednesday, Ayatollah Khamenei praised the Iranian nation for its decent, courageous and timely behavior in the face of the “stupid and evil” act of aggression by the Zionist enemy.

“This nation will not surrender to anyone in the face of imposition.”

The Leader hailed the Iranian people’s reaction as a sign of growth and the consistency of its rationality and spirituality.

The Iranian nation will strongly fight the imposed war in the same way that it will stand against an imposed peace, the Leader stated, emphasizing that Ian will not surrender to anything imposed by anybody.

Dismissing the threatening comments by the US president, Ayatollah Khamenei said the wise individuals that are familiar with the Iranian nation and history would never talk to Iran with the language of threat, because it is impossible for the Iranian nation to surrender.

The Americans must bear in mind that any military engagement against Iran will undoubtedly inflict irreparable damages on them, the Leader warned.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (5 children)

What do y'all suppose the odds are that Hezbollah might try to seize an opportunity and re-enter the war?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I watched CNN for ~3 seconds.

I'd love to get $100,000s (More?) for my shitposts.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

I hate reddit so fucking much

CW: Really dumb lib/western/reactionary brainworms

Redditor: israel at least attempts to resemble a western country with some degree of civil liberties (for citizens at least). iran is a theocratic dictatorship that suppresses women and ethnic minorities and arbitrarily uses the death penalty on anyone from lgbtq+ to journalists to protesters to even children. the only reason iran isn’t committing a genocide on the same scale as israel is that there isn’t an ethnic minority large enough to wipe out. also their only reason they support palestine (barely, might i add) is because waging a proxy war is a lot less risky than a direct conflict, at least in the past. they’ll use gaza as a substitute battleground before they’d actually try and help the palestinian people. in case anyone is illiterate this does not mean i am excusing israel! they are also an awful genocidal regime but it is important to remember iran is on par with them.

Another Redditor: Ah, yes, who cares about a regime putting its citizens to death for crimes like being gay or questioning the government. Or for publicly beating women for showing their hair. Also as others pointed out the death toll from groups Iran helps out are pretty damn high.

Redditor 3: "who gives a shit about civil liberties" You should. It is demonstrably unprincipled to support a theocratic dictatorship solely on the basis that they oppose another awful geopolitical power. It is possible for two things in direct opposition to both be horrible. The mere fact that they're in opposition does not require one to take sides.

Redditor 4: The death toll of the yemen civil war is at least triple of the war in Gaza. The Houthi are effectively an Iranian proxy. It's triple without the deaths from famine and lacking healthcare otherwise it would be 7 times. this is also taking away agency from Iran/Houthi

Redditor 5: Iran is not the good guy in this situation because they still are a theocratic authoritarian state who just bombed civilians. Bad guys bombing bad guys does not good guys make

Wtf

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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Dominos near pentagon and the White House are getting really busy atm

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Well, if you're only gonna drop 6 of the things on Fordow then it's not really a serious strike. Not that it matters, because the place was already evacuated of enriched uranium, but early reports are, apparently, that only the entrances have been bombed anyway? Hilariously pointless. Don't warn your enemy about what you're going to strike days in advance, maybe? I feel both weirdly disappointed that they didn't actually try and crack Fordow open with a massive strike, relieved that they didn't, and nervous for what Iran and Yemen are about to do in response.

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[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Don’t believe everything you read on Twitter and don’t use it as an excuse to doom

“Tehran denies western media reports about 'seeking mediation' to end war

Iran has targeted Israel with ballistic missiles every day since the war began, and has vowed to intensify its strikes”

https://thecradle.co/articles/tehran-denies-western-media-reports-about-seeking-mediation-to-end-war

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

President Masoud Pezeshkian: 'We will not accept limiting Iran's nuclear enrichment to 0% under ANY circumstances'

  • Telegram
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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (22 children)

Must suck for libs that most of the non western world has views that they'd call "tankie" or "campist".

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[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (10 children)

visited reddit-logo

Because they've taken out a large portion of Iran's launchers. Combine that with much of their leadership being dead or in hiding (including the Supreme Leader), you're getting very weak responses at this point.

I honestly don't know what the point is now in launching. If I'm the rocket guy, I'm fucking right off to the house and waiting for the new regime to take over. maybe-later-honey

That was enough

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Right now Trump is talking to the media. He certainly sounds like somebody who is going to attack Iran. For example - he repeated he wants "unconditional surrender".

The Iranian stuff starts at [no time stamp] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voie0EATMY8

I thought it was over but it's not. He keeps complaining on and on about the Fed and Powell. Plus he's very, very proud of his Big Boy President Double Flagpoles.

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[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

quick break from Iran for a second, update on kneecap

Kneecap rapper bailed over terror charge

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[–] thirstyskyline@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi, Chief-of-Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, makes his first appearance:

'All the operations we have carried out so far, have been limited operations with the purpose of warnings and deterrence.

The real and decisive punitive action will soon be carried out against the Zionist regime, with the help of God Almighty. All settlers should immediately leave Tel Aviv and Haifa.'

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[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago (3 children)

paging our resident military hardware nerds, what do you think?

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago

trump-drenched : "We want diplomacy with Iran, we don't want war, let's see how their meeting with the Europeans goes."

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

all these arrested Mossad agents , does anybody have more details on the Modus Operandi ?

like are they Israeli Citizens that learned accent free Farsi for 20 years in deepcover super agent stylo - Or are these like hired thugs via the internet ?

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[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In rare "good news", the UK govt today backed down in its legal fight for tougher anti-protest laws, used to arrest hundreds of protesters under the previous government's definition of "serious disruption" as "more than minor".

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[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Today’s Operation True Promise III videos.

SouthFront has another large collection of Iranian missile launch and strike footage from today: https://southfront.press/dozens-of-iranian-missiles-rain-down-on-northern-central-southern-israel-videos/

Aftermath of an Iranian missile strike on Holon: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/21/1451220.html

Aftermath of a recent Iranian strike on the Zionist regime's Weizmann Institute: https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1935819843636203520

Racist Zionist settlers would not allow foreign workers from Thailand into a bomb shelter (“for Jews only”): https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/20/1450537.html

Large rallies in support of Iran’s ongoing military operation against the Zionist regime took place in Tehran: https://news-pravda.com/usa/2025/06/20/1449844.html

And a bonus video, more recent Palestinian resistance combat footage from Gaza: https://southfront.press/hamas-killed-four-israeli-troops-in-gazas-khan-younis-in-under-one-week-video/

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Biden said ‘Russia should be destroyed’ – Brazil’s Lula - RT

Former US President Joe Biden wanted to see Russia “destroyed” during his time in office, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has said in an interview with Le Monde.

Article

The Brazilian leader, who has consistently pushed for a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, objected to attempts to single out Moscow as the sole culprit behind the conflict, telling the French newspaper on Tuesday that “Western countries also bear part of the responsibility.”

“Joe Biden, with whom I spoke at length, thought Russia needed to be destroyed,” Lula said, without elaborating when the conversation took place. “And Europe, which for a long time embodied a middle way in the world, has now aligned itself with Washington and is spending billions on rearmament. That worries me. If all we talk about is war, there will never be peace.”

Moscow has long described the Ukraine conflict as a Western proxy war against Russia and has repeatedly condemned arms supplies to Kiev as counterproductive to the peace process. US President Donald Trump’s special envoy Keith Kellogg acknowledged last week that President Vladimir Putin was “in a way” right, while US Secretary of State Marco Rubio also previously characterized the conflict as a proxy war.

“Frankly, it’s a proxy war between nuclear powers – the United States, helping Ukraine, and Russia,” Rubio said in March, noting that the current White House administration is eager to see it end.

Trump has repeatedly rebuked Biden for funneling “crazy” amounts of American taxpayer money to Kiev, arguing last month that the conflict “should have remained a European situation.”

Trump has frequently used campaign rallies to claim that only he could prevent World War III and resolve the conflict between Ukraine and Russia within 24 hours – a claim he later acknowledged was hyperbolic. His efforts at mediation have faced resistance from European NATO members, who back continued military support for Ukraine.

Last month, following pressure from Trump, Kiev dropped its opposition to direct talks with Moscow, which it had abandoned back in 2022. Since then, the two sides have held two rounds of negotiations in Istanbul.

The first meeting was initiated by Putin on May 16 and resulted in a major prisoner swap. During the second round of negotiations on Monday, the two sides exchanged draft memorandums outlining a roadmap toward an eventual peace deal.

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

Meanwhile, the pedophile conference is gathering in Sweden

China haunts Bilderberg talks as usual suspects plot world domination

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/15/bilderberg-hroup

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Ok if Israel in going to assassinate Iranian officials, here's one they should kill

JUST IN | Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said his government has no intention of pursuing nuclear weapons, despite Western claims.

Speaking in parliament, he noted that Iran has been in talks with the United States over its nuclear program and that enrichment efforts are solely for peaceful energy use. “We are not seeking nuclear weapons,” he said, but Iran has every right to benefit from nuclear energy.

https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/1934502908273336412#m

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[–] fever@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Farsi-speaking Saudi-funded Israeli-run satellite TV channel, Iran International, is repeating the same old "the explosions in civilian areas are actually failed Iranian interceptors/missiles falling" narrative. Of course an interceptor can't level an entire apartment building.

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[–] fever@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Israel is paying gangs to burn tires around sensitive areas to create illusion of airstrikes as part of their psyop operations inside Iran. This also includes burning trees in the parks. In Kermanshah also MEK terrorists were using loud speakers announcing to residents that they should evacuate. They were arrested ofc.

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Lots of airstrikes in Tehran right now being reported. Israeli aircraft audible over Kermanshah on video.

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[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago

You know the situation has deteriorated when not even the culture war can distract people anymore.

I can't find a single recent post on stupidpol seething about idpol.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If anyone's wondering how long for the B-2s to reach Iran if they did take off last night, details here. It's been between 18-19 hours since then (my post used information a few hours old), so around 11-13 hours to go from now (17:45 UTC) if they'll bomb Fordow in Iran. 4 hours from Whiteman to California, 24 hours to cross the Pacific ocean, about another 2-3 hours to Iran. Critical 12 hours ahead for a potential US offensive entry into the war. I think this also is also well after market close today, for those tracking that.

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[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

I think any decision to close Hormuz, while the right of Iran, would be premature to take within at least the next day or so. Israel and US aren't as politically united as we see in the media, and the only way to exploit that is to further punish the entity and hope they beg for escalation so much that Trump calls their bluff.

At the same time, I'm not a political or military scientist who is certain even Trump can keep control of a military and political class otherwise united around the Israeli death cult.

At the same time, a comprehensive strike that can guarantee significant damage to the largest assembly of American warships since pearl harbour may be the opportunity to bring the war home to the average American citizen, who does not understand any language other than the sight of American flags draped over coffins. It may steel some of their spirits, but it will remind many others that their apathy to the empire will not go unpunished.

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[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sad that the B2 weren't shot down, I was expecting there to be some hidden bavars ready for an ambush. But ultimately this changes nothing, Iran can still win an attrition war and now the libs are in a shitty position internally, so moves to take more decisive action should be taken, like actually testing a nuke. Or increasing missile and aa production.

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