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Bulletins and News Discussion from June 16th to June 22nd, 2025 - Iran, Harden Your Heart
(hexbear.net)
Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.
Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.
Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).
Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.
I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.
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Israel-Palestine Conflict
Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:
UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.
English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.
English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.
Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Sources:
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:
Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.
https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.
Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:
Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.
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Must suck for libs that most of the non western world has views that they'd call "tankie" or "campist".
for real. I was talking to a bosnian, civil war was brought up. I was expecting "thank you nato we would not have lived without you" or some lib stuff but no. his opinions will make average user here look like lib. "nato is the worlds biggest terrorist" "turkiye must leave nato" lmao. a good suprise to be see
IIRC while Serbia had carried out atrocities before NATO intervention, most of the atrocities against Bosnians and other minorities came directly following the massive escalation that came with NATO involvement. So it makes sense for even a Bosnian to come to that conclusion, because NATO was a lot more concerned with protecting the interests of American and Western European capitalists than human rights.
No one I mean no one in my country trusts nato to do the right thing. Even those who have self hatred and do white worship enamoured with the west would sleep with one eye open with them. Im not even exaggerating especially since we have first hand experience with their fuckery. The most apolitical dudes I know don't rock with em. Even in india where the majority have favorable views of Israel and the US most thought nato were more responsible for the ukraine war than Russia. Its seems odd but they also have friendly relations with Russia. Doesn't matter though they'd be labeled by libs as tankies if they were around em. You don't need to be a hexbear to get that label. Hell you cosign them in most stances cept those critical ones you're in the club bruv.
I keep up with some socdem places (because I just love torturing myself or something) and it always makes me chuckle when I see people who are like "Well, sure, the US has done some bad things, even imperialism, but tankies never focus on the imperialism of the Russians or Chinese or Iranians. Why don't we have a universal critique of these actions instead of inordinately focussing on what America does? In fact, focussing on America is racist because it implies that other countries and people of other races are perfect beings who can do no wrong, which is infantilizing" and internally I'm just like: okay, we just need to do an entire ideological factory reset, because you have like stuxnet-tier brainworms or something
Westerners criticizing their own governments and power structures would be authoritarian actually
A real critical thinking liberal only criticizes their governments' official enemies
They're consenting to their own delusion because otherwise they'd have to acknowledge that they're guilty by association for most of the world's misery.
I agree that at a certain level it has to be psychological. It certainly can't be based on an intellectual critique of "campism" because these people don't read books. Like, you read through Lenin's Imperialism once and it's just like, oh, when I accused fucking Iran or Cuba or Hamas or that scary-looking person on the street of being imperialist colonizers, I was using the liberal definition of imperialism, which is just the moral condemnation of "evil" as defined under the eldritch moral system of US empire
I have never heard of the term "campist" before today, on an instagram post from "decolonizing anarchy" where they were condemning both sides in the war and were shaming campists. Someone in the comments definitely brought up how all people in their town do is sit and read books together instead of doing something lol. So you must be correct here
I love that education is so hated by most of the US, including many leftists. So cool
I hadn't heard it until Contrapoints brought it up earlier. What does it mean? I still don't get it.
Eh, just a synonym for tankie, mostly. Found on revolupedia:
A cute quote from a write up about campists:
That last piece from the author of What Went Wrong? The Nicaraguan Revolution: A Marxist Analysis
Is the author legit? I glossed over the article, and that paragraph in particular stood out to me because it completely omits that the reason many people dismiss the Uyghur genocide is because there's is ample evidence that it never happened. So I wrote it off pretty immediately
He has never met an AES that he could support. I haven't read the Nicaragua book but here's his summary of more recent events:
implying libs give even the tiniest shit about the opinions of the non western world
How would they be smart enough, they don't even speak English bro.
How are they gonna get to the real journalism if they don't know English? I know English and I don't even read
That's when they break out the calipers
You mean non-western leftists?
Because honestly most average people are apolitical and just don’t care that much about the world. If you only get your information from the internet and social media, it can seem like people are having certain sets of opinions, but once you actually go out and talk to people about the stuff we care about here, you’d find that most of them don’t even know what you’re talking about.
I had this experience today with my American friend that didn't know slavery still existed in USA due to the 13th amendment. They told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
This is honestly not really true, certainly not before 2022 but even now most of the global south is pretty consistently enamoured with western consumerist culture/wishes to integrate into that world more than it wishes to seek another path. We're still living in the twilight of the "end of history" and all of its effects.
On the other hand, the way that the Uyghur atrocity propaganda caught on in western countries (and to my knowledge it did work on Muslim communities in the West) but it never really found fertile ground in most Muslim majority countries implies that western soft power has declined a lot. Not to mention how much more prevalent anti-zionist views are outside the West.
Oh I have no doubt many still want that lifestyle. I don't mean in a way that way but simply acknowledging neocolonialism or being against actions israel, the US etc do is enough to get that label. Hell wanting a solution to the ukraine war that doesn't result in Russia's collapse does and believe me many around the global south still think russia collapsing will put us in a worse position especially in regards to the west. Oh I don't think proper class consciousness is coming in many places but jfc Libs moved the overton window so far that even socdems thats are integrated into their lifestyle agree with many of their viewpoints but are disenchanted with foreign policy get labelled as such. They even alienate their voter base and try to court the chuds but the chuds don't fuck with em.
For people who go on about purity politics from the left this is hilarious.
As we often say, the great firewall is doing far more protection of the western netizen than it is the average Chinese netizen. 20 minutes of political Xiaohongshu will tell you that much