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[–] DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 2 points 6 hours ago

Music artists absolutely fucking hate music streaming services! It's too big to not participate, and in a lot of cases, their record label won't let them not do so. But the pay is absolute shit! If you care about tbe artist behind the music, buy their music. If you don't want to have all your music stored on device because it takes too much room, there are self-host options.

Going solely with streaming is actively screwing artists over, especially in the case of Spotify, which pays out to the tune (pun intended) of 0.0001¢ per stream. Even an artist as well known as Weird Al barely makes enough to buy a sandwich from what Spotify pays! Other platforms are better, but not by much. I don't say this to guilt trip; many big names make good money from record deals and will be just fine, while most of us don't make much. Indie artists are the real losers here.

That said, music had gotten cheap! Most of your favorite indie artists will sell FLAC versions of their albums for $10 an album, or $1 a song on Bandcamp, and prices are between $10-20 for major artists on platforms like Qobuz. It might take time to build your library back up, but the average person can make a huge difference here by taking the money you would spend on Spotify or any other platform, and buying your music directly. You'd be paying the artist more than they'd get from you streaming nothing but their album every day all year, eventually you'll be paying less in the long run by not being subbed to a greedy music platform, and you'll get better quality!

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Reality check here. If morals or personal philosophy means the most to you, then self hosting is really the only honest choice, assuming you then buy merch from artists. If features and library size are most important then you probably need Spotify. All the other worthwhile options might come with a good USP but they're usually flawed in comparison to Spotify.

Screw AI music, but it is on every platform. Spotify is just a victim of its success in this regard.

Edit: not a fanboi btw, just a dad with a family who likes to use Spotify. I have to pay for YT premium as well so the kids don't get ADs on their stupid iPhones. If the YT music app wasn't so shit I'd dump Spotify and make everyone switch, proving my point.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This figure mentions Spotify on a side note. You must be joking.

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Indeed. It should be at the top as the defacto music streaming platform based on popularity.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

I just use OuterTune for YT Music. It works and it is less sus than ReVanced YT Music

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 4 points 1 day ago

Can't ungoogle myself this time. YT music has probably the best catalog of all and it's easily moddable

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tend to wear a special hat that allows me to consume music in any format or device I like.

and then go donate to, or purchase music directly from the artists that I like.

[–] pirat@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yar har har.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago

if only deezer didn't have data breaches

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This graphic seems to put Spotify in a "less shit" category than the other big players based on national origin or something.

From a quality and fairness perspective Spotify is just as bad. A large list of credible musicians and content creators have detailed the poor compensation, shift towards fake artists and AI filler tracks, and other moves Spotify has made that harm the artists and provide a worse listener experience.

If you want to fairly compensate artists, you'd be better off pirating 100% of your streams using alternate frontends for YT music, then making a list of your top 10-20 artists and buying an album or T-shirt from each of their official websites. They will make a lot better margin on that and its better for their career than any amount of streams you can give as one individual. (Also go to shows when available locally)

[–] gila@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Some of the categories for this infographic are arbitrary within the context of the music streaming market. Spotify is literally a more "incumbent" "monopoly" than the "big tech incumbents" if you only consider the segment of those companies' operations related to music streaming. Spotify is probably the worst choice of all, both using the ethos provided by the infographic and by other metrics too. Tech companies with 150B capitalisation are big tech regardless of how much bigger others are.

[–] rainha_da_sucata@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

I've been considering this and although I'm not one to pirate anything (my skills for this stayed in 1999) I've been buying CDs out of thrift stores and ripping them :)

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago

Some of these services don't offer themselves in turkey (tidal)

[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there a way to get a list of all the songs I like on spotify for archival purposes? Not the file, just a list. Like a shopping list.

[–] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You can check out Soundiiz

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If you are moving to deezer they will take over all your playlists. They have a third party service on teir website that does it. It moved thousands for me with minimal issues. A couple live tracks and very niche local sonfs missing. I would say easily 99.9% transfer accuracy and it listed the outliers.

The service works regardless of who you move to or from.

[–] Hadowenkiroast@piefed.social 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

i decided to self host my library in as high of a res I could using Navidrome/subsonic.

I had a FiiO X3 anyway so i already had a FLAC capable player.

in the end, even if i know it's not for everyone. selfhosting is the only way to never lose what u love. so many of my lesser known tracks are just gone on spotify.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never lose as long as you have a good backup strategy.

[–] Hadowenkiroast@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

Very True, that is one of the few things people don't realize enough when starting selfhosting. Backups and documenting what you did.

I have a raid NAS keeping my data in-house which has an encrypted backup in the cloud (Infomaniak kdrive) and my FiiO X3 SD card which is an additional portable backup. So on that front, I don't worry too much.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A glance at this makes me happy to just keep playing my mp3s.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Which one has the biggest selection and highest quality audio, ad-free for $0/mo?

I use YouTube Music ReVanced, and while the audio quality isn't the highest (because it's YouTube), you can't beat the song selection. Especially when it's free and ad-free.

[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

ReVanced can also patch the Spotify app

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Spotify has no music. I don't like it.

(Seriously, it's missing so many songs! But thanks anyway.)

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz -2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

You're likely violating the YouTube terms of service and can be banned at any moment. Also you're stealing from musicians. Lemmy has multiple piracy communities that can probably give you more options

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

"Stealing" from record industry executives, you mean. Artists make the vast majority of their income from merch, autograph signings, and ticket sales. I couldn't care less if a billionaire executive misses out on a few hundred bucks from me over my lifetime. And secondly, making a copy isn't stealing.

Edit: Also why would you think that I give a single shit about YouTube's TeRmS oF sErViCe? (Why would any non-government citizen?) Fuck Google.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 10 points 1 day ago

I'm trying to get most of what I like on CD and then host a jellyfin server

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tidal is owned by Block, the owners of Square, which is the biggest POS vendor in the US. If that’s not big tech I don’t know what is.

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[–] GargleBlaster@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I switched from Spotify to tidal then deezer and finally landed on qobuz. While the app still has some problems and the music selection is not as massive as on Spotify (but mainly in super niche content), the higher artist pay and amazing soundquality are definitely worth it

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Spotify to tidal then deezer and finally landed on qobuz

Steps out of Time Machine from 15 years ago

WTF

[–] psychadlligoat@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Deezer is from 2007, someone from 15 years ago could easily have heard of it

tidal is from 2014, so not quite

Qobuz is actually new, 2023

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[–] Bubs@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Wipur is the next big deal, but Boodle is likely to replace it. Slove is already dying, but iMPUR and Doofz look promising as replacements.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago

Poob has it for you.

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[–] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Qobuz also does purchaseable music, not just streaming.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Naspers is a South African multinational internet, technology and multimedia holding company headquartered in Cape Town... did you mean Napster...? Did you generate this with AI or something?

Why would the largest music streaming service in the world be in the "other" category and not the "Big Tech Incumbents".

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeh and the blurb for splotifry reads like an ad, with not a negative word to say about this exploitative monster.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

I mean, the "To Note" section includes information about their worse practices. The whole infographic is such a nonsense mishmash.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been happy with Bandcamp. They got sold recently so their future is uncertain, but I downloaded all the music I bought.

They don't really have an algorithm, but you can see who else purchased something, and they do blog posts about like "what's new in [genre]" that's worth reading. So far as I can tell it's written by real people.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They also have regular "Bandcamp Fridays", where they forego their 25% and give musicians 100% of proceeds for the day. It's a good chance to directly support small artists.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, from the conversations I've had, they're kind of the best of a bad bunch, all things considered.

[–] kalistia@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] RustedSnail@europe.pub 5 points 1 day ago

I tried them for a bit and really wanted to like them but their "modern" metal catalog, playlists, and discover-ability was so bad I had to begrudgingly go back to tidal.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you're paying for music, stay away from any music publisher that doesn't give you the option of keeping a DRM-free copy for yourself that can be played back in perpetuity, unconditionally.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I use Anghami myself

[–] mortalglowworm@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

There are also Faircamp and Mirlo, if you are looking for even fairer and progressive alternatives.

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