This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
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The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
Mormons too, they’ve been screeching about Armageddon and the antichrist since we elected that black fellow
Which is complete bullshit, a long standing tenant of the Mormon faith was to “follow the laws of the land” but once we started actually making some social progress they started forgetting that more and more and more.
The whispered part of that is that members should run for office; that way they have the power to make laws conform to their ideology. I was surprised by the number of Mormons in Congress. They’re pretty over-represented for the population they represent.
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Well, that tenet only came about after all the fraud in NY, being kicked out of multiple Midwest towns for being so obnoxious no one could stand them, landing in UT with the BY in BYU immediately building a house for himself and another for all his wives next door, and Uncle Sam threatening to take away their tax exemption if they don’t allow black people in…THEN eventually god changed his mind
It’s always been “follow the law of the land, unless god tells you different then go ahead but don’t tip off the feds”
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Yet many Catholics voted in line with the MAGA nuts, purely on abortion. The American Catholic Church has turned abortion into its defining political litmus test. Hopefully this new Pope can convince American bishops that there are other issues worth their attention.
Besides, the folks who run the US right now always need an enemy. Once they run through the immigrants, and LGBT people, who's next? It's entirely possible these christofascists start ostracizing Catholics. They never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes, and they probably think they won't need votes anymore to keep in power.
My fucking parents voted for this asshole because of abortion. I yell at them about how many these fascists have already killed. Stopping aids aid from USAID alone is going to kill thousands (millions?).
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Western Christians haven't cared about their religion for at least a century, probably more. Bets on MAGA.
If you're following Maga you've long since started zany rationalization of your Christianity. Trump is an absolute caricature of the anti-christ incarnate. It's absolutely laughable. This will not break the hippocrates.
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The Pope isn't the American Christian icon you'd think. JFK was Catholic and it was a big deal.
American Christianity is dozens and dozens of sects and styles and flavors. Overall they roughly disrespect and respect the Pope about the same, he's irrelevant really.
Modern American fascism has been claiming catholicism, see Vance. This is big for that reason. That and catholicism being the largest individual branch of Christianity in America
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How many Americans are catholics though? (And how many of those are hispanics anyways?)
It's easy to ignore the pope, when he's not even part of your denomination.
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Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
Another argument for renaming the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian" to make it more self-explanatory.
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It's literally in their Bible... This should just be standard. Not special.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don't read it.
Because they'd be atheists if they actually did. The ones who read it and stay Christians are just sociopaths.
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Yep. Also Catholic official "recommended ideology of state" was distributivism last time I checked, which is something of a holy mix (can't be unholy mix in this situation) between anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism with a conservative touch.
It has its downsides, but the upsides are that limiting immigration, legal inequality, racism and fascism are in theory not allowed there.
(Just in case someone thinks Peter Thiel and such people's ideas are what Catholic church recommends, and they surely want to make such an impression, - no.)
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If the catholic church somehow turns into a force for good this century that would be awesome. Its weird to think they might be the adults in the room in a lot of cases.
The church is large and complex and run by many different people. It has been a force for good and evil all along.
The catholic church has been a considerable "force for good" for centuries. Whether or not the bad they do outweighs that is a question of how much value you assign to the bad things they do and how much credit you give them for good intentions.
Sure, they're anti-abortion and implicitly sexist, but they're also pro-mercy, anti-war, anti-death-penalty, and possibly the most pro-science of all theistic churches. Bishops in the USA are obnoxious right-wing partisans, but in other countries they're firmly in the local center or on the bleeding edge of the local left. (There's a reason why the first American-born pop wasn't a working priest in the USA.)
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😂 🤣
'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Yeah, I don't think "people of faith", at least the more conservative ones, are going to be taking that lesson very seriously... Good luck changing their mindset.
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Evangelicals are not, but there are progressives within the ranks of christianity. The actual message of the new testament is down right socialist.
Jesus died a pacifistic anarchist at the very least
Pacifist yes — definitely not an anarchist. He instructed his followers to obey all laws in all situations that didn’t conflict with loving God and loving other people. However, he despised “tradition” and flaunted it constantly.
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The Vatican style of faith is very different from whatever has been festering in conservative America.
the only higher power conservatives believe in, even the religious ones, is fox news
close but not quite, trump is the higher power. when fox didnt 100% back january 6th and trumps mission to steal the election, many of them called to boycott fox news. If they have to choose between fox and trump they will choose trump. In reality this probably wont happen again cuz fox learned their lesson.
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Many of these people in US concentration camps are catholic. The thing that's crazy is how many insane catholics like JD Vance are cheering this on.
Vance is part of a specific far right hyperpolitical faction of Catholics that he adopted via his patron Thiel.
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It'd be better if Pope Leo deputized and trained additional Vatican Guards and deployed them at various locations. Also a priest.
Police in riot gear with pepper guns and gas grenades vs Swiss Guards in blue, red and yellow with halberds. 🤘
I've done this in CIV and it didn't work out that well...
Because Gandhi showed up and nuked everyone?
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Swiss Guards are active duty Swiss military iirc. Deployng them could be... Problematic on many levels.
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Good on the USB, got the religion right. You know who doesn't? People who hate their neighbours, casted stones in the capitol and know compassion only for their own.
These people pretend to be religious, because it happens to be popular with conservatives, not because they understand religion
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Yeah and if prayer worked we wouldn't need hospitals.
Many hospitals are also run by the church. Catholics believe in science - all recent popes say evolution is fact.
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