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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 14 points 16 hours ago

California should just leave the US and form its own country.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 32 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

just fucking do it, you asshole.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

It's grandstanding.....but it pisses off the Orange Turdburgler so I can't complain too much.

[–] EtAl_isGitch@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm of the opinion that California, Oregon, and Washington should succeed and join Canada. Hell, New York and Massachusetts too if I'm indulging in this fantasy scenario.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

All of new england pls

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Cross posted to BoycottUnitedStates @ europe.pub

Hey, now we're even boycotting ourselves!

...

More seriously:

Welp, I don't see another option than lie down and roll over, but also, if Newsom actually does it, this will basically cause a civil war... or at best a 'Russia is pacifying Chechen terrorists' kind of situation.

Hope everyone has their popcorn / bugout bags ready.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

stopping paying taxes is one of the essential elements of a "soft secession", one where the state disintegrates from the federation, but not "all at once", but "step by step".

Maybe it was Trump's plan after all to cause a number of states to secede? After all, GOP has talked about Texas' secession for a while, iirc?

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

His plan to lose his most valuable states? Probably not. He’s just an idiot out of control.

[–] rylock@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

Although, from a Russian perspective, that would be an ideal outcome. I'd put nothing past these traitorous criminals.

Project 2025 shows that the Republicans have at least one person with the ability to plan long term strategy.

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Ain't happening anyway

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn't harm Trump. Trump's goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can't fight Putin's army. California's lack of payment may just hasten that goal.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I don't think Trump is as much of a lackey that's following the plan as he is a useful idiot that's easy to manipulate. I believe that Trump believes that the US is the biggest and the best - it suits the same image he has of himself as the biggest and best leader - but he's so dumb and narcissistic that he won't realize that he's being led on a leash.

I don't think Trump consciously wants to destroy America, I think he wants to make it what he considers to be great (a militarily powerful dictatorship built on worshiping him), but he's absolutely fine with making it weaker in the interim if it either:
A. Makes him gain something
B. Feeds his ego

[–] SheepHerder@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think he is a puppet of Putin. I think he really, really likes money and power, that's it. He does things to further his own grip of the country, thus increasing his power. Or, he does things to increase his wealth. Nothing more. He likes authoritarian leaders because they have more of a hold on their respective countries (a weird form of respect), or because they give him money (or expensive planes).

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It might put California on the track to surviving Trump's destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

The guys that are currently restoring confederate monuments would perform a takeover of the state by the federal government. US states no longer share core values, sometimes very hypocritically so.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago

MOTHERFUCKING DO IT

Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.

Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 68 points 1 day ago

CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.

If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don't go to that fascist bullshit

🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected

[–] discreetelite@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago

This would be madlad behaviour if it actually happens

[–] The_Shwa@midwest.social 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

This is, hands down, the funniest version of this that I have seen.

I even heard it in his voice goddamnit.

This is art.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If just New York and California did this, it would cripple some red states

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 47 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Been saying that we’re headed for balkanization since the clown won his first term. Not seeing any reason to change that prediction.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 day ago

balkanization

For uninformed people like myself:

Balkanization is the process of a country or region fragmenting into smaller, often hostile units, typically driven by ethnic, cultural, religious, or geopolitical differences. The term originates from the Balkan Peninsula, a region that has experienced significant fragmentation throughout history, and the term is now used more broadly to describe similar processes elsewhere.

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