As I said in the other thread:
That’s what I’m fucking talking about
Now start doing it for researchers whose grants get cancelled and you get to dominate scientific research for like .1% of your national budget
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Only tangentially related, but I fully expect Tsinghua University and Peking University to become household names in the global South and quite possibly the West in the near future. The American University system isn't a means of education, but rather a product sold to families. Harvard in particular is moreso a brand than a school and exists to make a profit not to educate. This difference is especially seen in how Chinese universities focus on improvement as opposed to American ones. For universities in China to improve, they increase funding, increase enrollment, increase staff and improve facilities. Meanwhile, for American universities to improve they need to go through a process that I can only describe as high energy marketing bullshit (for example Northeastern's shenanigans). Chinese education is higher throughput, more economical, more difficult, and a cause for the Chinese century.
So funny we are doing this to ourselves, our university system was the envy of the world even with all its issues. Not anymore lol.
our university system was the envy of the world
I've heard a lot of USAians claim this, I've never heard anyone else claim it of the USA. Like literally 0 times anywhere.
I think a large fraction of countries consider their own university system the envy of the world.
No one outside the US claims it because those that would were (not anymore) here and in the university system.
It's especially funny because the administrations/boards of these universities were totally willing to be collaborators with the administration, as long as they could save face and have the semblance of academic freedom
I wish they would do nothing faster
The CCP is harvesting our brains 
Can I volunteer to have my brain harvested?
AND IT IS THE SAME BRAINS THAT WE WANTED TO KICK OUT WTF
A US judge hurriedly tried to block Trump's order:
Reverse brain drain now!
Don't do something, just stand there! :boglechad:
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Chinese College Gives Harvard International Students 'Unconditional Offers'
Published May 23, 2025 at 6:31 AM EDT
Updated May 23, 2025 at 10:58 AM EDTA Hong Kong college has promised "unconditional offers" for international students at Harvard after the Trump administration revoked the Ivy League's ability to enroll them.
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (HKUST) said it would help "ensure a smooth transition" for students who may be unable to enroll for the next school year.
The White House's attempt to prevent Harvard enrolling international students next year is the latest blow in its fight with America's oldest — and richest — university, which refused to comply with government's demands to change how it hires and teaches. The U.S. government is cracking down on elite colleges it alleges are overrun by left-wing extremists and antisemitic movements.
A Harvard spokesperson told Newsweek the new action is unlawful and the university is "fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and scholars." Harvard is already suing over a cut of more than $2 billion in federal funding.
HKUST's announcement comes shortly after the Chinese government criticized the move. More than 1,000 Chinese students currently attend the Ivy League school.
Why It Matters
Critics have warned the Trump administration's move could deter top talent from abroad from coming to the United States to study. HKUST's offer indicates an increasing number of international students could choose top institutions in China, Hong Kong and in other places instead.
International students leaving Harvard could be yet another significant financially cost to the university in its dispute with the U.S. government.
What To Know
In a news release, HKUST said on Friday it was "extending this opportunity to ensure talented students can pursue their educational goals without disruption."
HKUST said it will prioritize expedited admissions, credit transfers, and provide support including visa assistance and housing "to ensure a smooth transition," adding that a dedicated team has been established to assist students.
HKUST is sixty-sixth best college in the world in the Times Higher Education rankings 2025. Harvard placed third.
It comes after the Trump administration said it had revoked Harvard's certification in the Student and Exchange Visitor Program, which gives the school the ability to sponsor international students to get their visas and attend school in the U.S. It would be effective for the 2025-26 school year.
Harvard enrolled 6,703 international students in the 2024-2025 school year, according to school data, amounting to a quarter of its total. Of these, 1,203 were from China.
Those students will have to transfer to other schools or lose their legal status, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
Announcing the move on Thursday, the agency said Harvard had created an unsafe campus environment by allowing "anti-American, pro-terrorist agitators" to harass and assault Jewish students on campus and accused Harvard of coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party, saying it hosted and trained members of a Chinese paramilitary group as recently as last year.
The enrollment block is the latest step in the Trump administration's crackdown on United States' elite colleges that he says are overrun by left-wing extremists, anti-American sentiments and antisemitic movements.
Harvard has refused to a White House list of demands, which it says would affect how it governs, hires and teaches. The pushback sparked an escalating battle.
President Trump has previously said his government will cut $2.2 billion promised federal funding and a further $450 million in grants to the Ivy League school.
Trump has also said he will remove Harvard's tax-exempt status, which could cost it millions of dollars each year.
Trump's big spending bill, narrowly approved by the U.S. House yesterday, would also seek to hike taxes on endowment investment gains. Harvard boasts a huge endowment worth about $53 billion..
What People Are Saying
Guo Yike, the provost at HKUST, said in a statement: "Diversity fuels creativity and progress. We are prepared to welcome Harvard students into our community, offering them the resources and vibrant environment needed to thrive in their fields."
Harvard spokesperson Jason Newton, responding to the revoking of its enrollment access, told Newsweek: "The government's action is unlawful. We are fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and scholars, who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the University -- and this nation -- immeasurably. We are working quickly to provide guidance and support to members of our community. This retaliatory action threatens serious harm to the Harvard community and our country, and undermines Harvard's academic and research mission."
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said in a statement: "This administration is holding Harvard accountable for fostering violence, antisemitism, and coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party on its campus. It is a privilege, not a right, for universities to enroll foreign students and benefit from their higher tuition payments to help pad their multibillion-dollar endowments."
China Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said on Friday: "The relevant actions by the U.S. side will only damage its own image and international credibility."
Former Harvard president Lawrence Summers wrote on X: "It is crazy to make enemies of thousands of the most talented young people from around the world. This violates the norms of decency and fairness and will make us a poorer country and, in all likelihood, is illegal in singling out Harvard and in the sweeping character of its attack on Harvard."
What Happens Next
The Trump administration's action is expected to prompt a second legal challenge from Harvard. The university sued the administration to block cuts to federal grants in April.
The Trump administration said Harvard's foreign students will have to transfer schools or leave the country.
In a separate case, a judge in California blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal status of international students nationwide while a court case challenging previous terminations is pending.
Are you an international student at Harvard affected by the Trump administration's move? Email k.rahman@newsweek.com.
Relevant article from SCMP with more info from the Chinese perspective (archive):
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Hong Kong authorities have urged local tertiary education institutions to offer support for Harvard University students whose dreams have been dashed after the US barred the Ivy League school from enrolling international candidates, many of whom are from mainland China.
At least five local universities on Friday invited those affected by the bombshell move to apply, while an education consultant said it had received calls from distraught parents of “furious” children who had been accepted at Harvard.
According to US authorities, current international students at the university must also either transfer or leave the country. The US Department of Homeland Security cited the university’s alleged “coordinated activity” with the Communist Party of China as part of the reasoning for the ban, which marks a sharp escalation of the row between the Trump administration and the Massachusetts-based global leader in education.
Just before midnight, US media reported that a federal judge had blocked the Trump administration’s move.
Secretary for Education Christine Choi Yuk-lin called on local universities to step up by attracting talent and building the city’s “study in Hong Kong” brand.
“In response to the ban on Harvard University recruiting international students, the Education Bureau has immediately contacted local universities to call on them to take proactive action,” she said in a social media post.
Choi said the government had contacted a local Harvard alumni association to provide “comprehensive support” to students who had been admitted to the university.
She also said Hong Kong universities should make use of relaxed quotas on non-local student intake to attract top candidates.
The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology [HKUST] announced on Friday it was “opening its doors to Harvard students amid global academic shifts” by expediting admissions and credit transfers, as well as prioritising support for students making the transition, such as help with visas and housing.
A special team and an email hotline have been set up for prospective students affected by the surprise ban.
“Diversity fuels creativity and progress,” HKUST’s provost, Professor Guo Yike, said. “We are prepared to welcome Harvard students into our community, offering them the resources and vibrant environment needed to thrive in their fields.”
The Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) said on Friday it was committed to promoting internationalisation by recruiting outstanding students from around the world and providing them with comprehensive support.
This past Tuesday, CUHK president Professor Dennis Lo Yuk-ming said his team would explore ways to provide additional research subsidies to attract foreign scholars who were leaving the United States.
City University also said it was “extending support to international students facing academic disruption, inviting them to continue their education in Hong Kong”.
The university said it would invite the original supervisors of PhD students to serve as co-supervisors, ensuring continuity and academic quality.
Baptist University said it had always been committed to internationalisation and recruited outstanding non-local students. It added it would provide necessary support to the relevant students based on the actual circumstances.
Polytechnic University said it invited students who had received admission offers from Harvard or were currently enrolled in the school or other top US universities to consider the Hong Kong education institution for continuing their undergraduate or postgraduate studies.
It said its admissions team would provide comprehensive support and guidance for transfer students, including scholarships, to help them smoothly navigate the move.
The Post has contacted the other publicly funded universities in Hong Kong for comment.
Samuel Chan Sze-ming, managing partner at Britannia StudyLink, a company specialising in placements at elite schools, said he had received multiple calls from parents of prospective Harvard applicants and some who had already been accepted.
“These kids have gone through hoops and have prepared their applications to top-notch states and to get an entry is very, very difficult,” Chan said. “Today, they realise that they cannot start the programme. It’s hugely disappointing and many of the students are furious.”
Chan recommended parents start looking at other leading universities in the states and Britain, such as Oxbridge and Imperial College London
The Department of Homeland Security said that “Harvard’s leadership has created an unsafe campus environment by permitting anti-American, pro-terrorist agitators” to assault Jewish students on campus and reiterated its accusation of “coordinated activity” between the university and the Communist Party.
Harvard on Friday filed a lawsuit seeking to reverse the ban, which is expected to affect more than 5,600 foreign students who make up about a quarter of its student population.
According to Harvard, there were 57 students from Hong Kong and 1,282 from the mainland in the 2024-25 academic year.
In his policy address last year, Chief Executive John Lee Ka-chiu said the government would establish a “Study in Hong Kong” brand to help turn the city into an international tertiary education hub and push for hotels and commercial buildings to be transformed into student hostels.
Additional reporting by Jiang Chuqin