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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 196 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Dictionaries are - by definition - descriptive. It is not their duty to judge what goes into them. They merely collected terms used by people and explain what they mean.

Demanding to remove information from a dictionary, because you do not like what it expresses or the people who use those terms, is the very definition of censorship.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Dictionaries are - by definition - descriptive. It is not their duty to judge what goes into them. They merely collected terms used by people and explain what they mean.

Demanding to remove information from a dictionary, because you do not like what it expresses or the people who use those terms, is the very definition of censorship.

Aha! Who defined that? Big Dictionary, that's who.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 11 months ago

down with big dic!

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 11 months ago

Also a very ham handed attempt to manipulate culture.

Or perhaps people who have had their culture manipulated running face first in to something outside their sphere and getting angry that it doesn’t comport with their manipulated understanding.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 102 points 11 months ago (4 children)

These people really don't have two braincells to rub together, do they?

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 73 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A brain... what? Is that another gender you just made up!? 😠

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Most of the time they're just lying about things like this.

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 91 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Merriam dgaf. Their job is to figure out what words people are using, and document them. People could invent the word "bumblesausagecock" and if it caught on, they would add it.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That would be such a bumblesausagecock thing to do

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

They definitely get bumblesausagecocked for doing that.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 11 months ago (31 children)

Exactly. Dictionaries are descriptive tools, not prescriptive.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I generally agree, though there's cases where you want to be selective with what you're describing. This Low Saxon dictionary, for example, has a policy of not listing loans and calques from Dutch, German, or English unless they've been well-established, doubly so if there's an already existing Low Saxon word which fits the bill.

The justification is that the language is in a vulnerable state with native proficiency having jumped at least a full generation so many speakers' vocabulary is lacking. E.g. my repertoire of words for plants and animals in Low Saxon is negligible, so in speech I have to improvise i.e. use a loan. I occasionally look stuff up and I don't want to find the loan I just used listed, giving it dictionary blessing would amount to aiding and abetting the decline of the language. Why the hell would anyone want to aid and abet the sidelining of wonderful words like Huul­bes­sen, "howl broom".

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[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 78 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"Hope you're ready to define words, dictionary" that's their whole thing dude.

Also I would highly recommend anyone into anime to check out Fune wo Amu/The Great Passage. It's an anime about the creation of a dictionary. It's a pretty compelling love letter to the idea of language in general. I think I started watching it when it was airing thinking 'this sounds boring as hell, they've gotta be cooking something if this got funded' and they were.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Seconded on Fune Wo Amu.

If you are sick and tired of every single anime having the same Generic High School Protagonist, and not a single character over the age of 30, then Fune Wo Amu is a breath of fresh air as a show for adults that isn't afraid to deviate from the usual formula, and tell a different kind of story.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/32948/Fune_wo_Amu/

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago (13 children)

This is why the idea of gender needs to disappear eventually. If we have it, we then need to label every single permutation of every expression. Maybe that's fun for some people, but it's definitely not fun for me.

To be clear I'm not saying you can't be a woman or a man or whatever. I understand I have to pay that tax. But in 200 years maybe it won't matter anymore because we'll all just be people. And that seems nice to me.

[–] SpaceDuck@feddit.org 46 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not really. Like with music, some labels are broader than others. “Oh you like rock? Rock & Roll, Glam Rock, Hard Rock, Metal?” “Oh what kind of Metal, Trash, Death, Symphonic.”

The broader terms existing does not negate the more precise terms and visa versa.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 30 points 11 months ago (23 children)

That's like saying we need to get rid of all color names since there are so many hues and shades. What are chartreuse and fuchsia? Better just get rid of green and purple since there are so many colors.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

All we need are hex codes and rgb!

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago

Actually no, that's not what they said. They said sure you can have green, but not everything has to be green, blue, or red.

Also, purple is a lie.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think it's awfully optimistic of you to think 200 years would be enough to erase gender bias even if most of society went into it with good intentions. Categorizing is too deep an instinct. It's easier for most people to add categories to the 2 most of us were taught as infants than to erase the concept entirely.

I suppose you could use they/them for everyone, to acknowledge the othergender aspects of them that may not be apparent or recognized by anyone including themselves.

But you'd piss a lot of people off.

Then again, that might be a good thing.

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[–] Joostringoot@feddit.nl 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

12000? It's over 20000! https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/why-this-fungus-has-over-20-000-sexes

Sex is not the same in biology/science as it is in culture.

Sex in culture may be a choice, in biology it is a given. Sometimes a bad interpretation of facts.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I really don't understand why anyone would get mad over any word being added to the dictionary unless the definition is obviously biased. I remember giggling at the profanity and racial slurs in the dictionary when I was a kid and nobody was upset about that as far as I know.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I remember giggling at the profanity and racial slurs in the dictionary when I was a kid and nobody was upset about that as far as I know.

Hey it is me JD Vance, I was and still am upset, kids giggling reminds me other people experience joy and love and then I start to feel like an empty monster.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I started reading this link for the lazy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genderqueer

And found this pretty darn good article for clueless but well-meaning people who want to learn and support their kid/grandkid/friend:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/merriam-websters-short-list-of-gender-and-identity-terms

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[–] scops@reddthat.com 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I found a HuffPo article linking to the original Twitter post (link to bad place) in case anyone wanted to verify this was legit before sharing.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

You can change any x link to xcancel to be able to view the content without giving musk the traffic stats: https://xcancel.com/MerriamWebster/status/724645568014868480

[–] laserm@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Now I love you even more Merriam Webster<3

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