128
all 40 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 72 points 11 months ago

Westerners say shit like this as if it’s some sinister secret agenda that’s been exposed by deep infiltration and analysis, when in reality the politicians in China have been saying this publicly in speeches and interviews since before these people were born

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago

This can’t be emphasized kenough.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

"too young, too simple sometimes naive" is a perfect description of all liberal journalists that pretend they're some kind of super genius when it comes to explaining the PRC

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Lenin: We will hang capitalists with the rope they sell us.

Mao-Xi: Ditto.

Western neolibs/chuds: What are those dastardly orientals planning?!

[-] regul@hexbear.net 62 points 11 months ago

When did Deng implement the market reforms? Like 50 years ago? WSJ catches on quick, huh?

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

It takes time for them to get their nephews Jody to take dictation

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

well Deng tricked the west into giving him the means of production

(i am being partly facetious but also maybe not?!?!?!?!!)

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago

In other news, WSJ just hired their first person who has read a single piece of literature from China, apparently.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 11 months ago
[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

spongebob-i-fucking-love DengGODS don't miss lets-fucking-go

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago

Marcio Rubio said "China has found a way to use capitalism against us."

Hillary Clinton said "they are a controlled top down economy. we will never compete and win against them unless we take back the means of production."

This is true bipartisanship.

[-] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile in the good timeline...

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Does anyone have that meme video that shows Hillary saying that? It's pure kino.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

this one? I think it was originally posted here (the shrekland watermark is a reference to our user shitbird)

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fascists say China is communist and that communism is evil because it is literally the devil’s work; liberals say that China is only pretending to be communist and that it is actually capitalist because communism is impossible and goes against human nature (also known as god). Every communist is really just a lying, power-hungry capitalist who is fooling the brainwashed masses (who want communism…even though that would make anti-communist countries dictatorships). If communist activists were actually capitalists, it would probably be a lot easier to just work as capitalists, but w/e.

Both liberals and fascists are entangled in mysticism and I really wish we had a national organization in the USA that was taking them on because sometimes I have to wonder if they’re as strong as they seem.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They're actually very weak except for having enormous amounts of state violence at their disposal.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

The fash usually do the liberals’ dirty work, which is why liberals are always so desperate to get at least a few fascists onboard with their project. Liberals themselves don’t like getting their hands dirty.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

human nature (also known as god)

data-laughing

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both liberals and fascists are entangled in mysticism

bit redundant, but we can allow it

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Fascists say China is communist and that communism is evil because it is literally the devil’s work; liberals say that China is only pretending to be communist and that it is actually capitalist because communism is impossible and goes against human nature (also known as god). Every communist is really just a lying, power-hungry capitalist who is fooling the brainwashed masses (who want communism…even though that would make anti-communist countries dictatorships). If communist activists were actually capitalists, it would probably be a lot easier to just work as capitalists, but w/e.

up-yours-woke-moralists

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

this comment gave me semantic satiation with the word communist and I had to triple check you weren't saying cummunist. I hope you're happy.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago
[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 35 points 11 months ago

Oh no they said the out loud part out loud

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

They're capitalist when it's convenient for the propoganda/media class and anticapitalist when it's convenient - or when the actual big boys have to analyze them like the WTO.

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago

China is "state capitalist" whenever western media describes its success and "communist" whenever it describes a human rights violation.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

Extra-capitalist when using raised standards of living in China as a justification for the last 40-some-odd years of global neoliberalism

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

I love reading the WSJ because it's like a little peek into the mental framework that undergirds neoliberalist thinking. It's like a kinder egg but there's nightmares inside instead of a tiny toy

[-] neo@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

It's one of the only newspapers (well... websites) i read for news for this reason. Basically exactly this sentiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFI0X_6_bN8

Because they are the unofficial mouthpiece of the liberal elite's way of thinking and doing business. They don't need to dress it up or pretend they have loftier ideals.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Well said. MSNBC or Fox would put a spin on it. The WSJ is pretty unapologetic.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

It's not capitalism if it doesn't come from Capitalia. It's just sparkling colonialism. berdly-actually

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago
[-] plinky@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

lord-bezos-amused Your yearly cheque cleared, mr. langley.

[-] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

based wsj??? it's less likely than you think

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago
[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago
[-] ParentiBot@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago

The quote

In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the admins of this instance if you have any questions or concerns.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

It's mostly not state capitalist either. "State capitalism" doesn't mean "private firms with fealty to the state".

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

The purpose of American companies, I guess, is supposed to be sucking up all the money in the world for the sport of it or something which is preferrable (?)

this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
128 points (100.0% liked)

the_dunk_tank

15896 readers
375 users here now

It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.

Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.

Rule 3: No sectarianism.

Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome

Rule 5: No ableism of any kind (that includes stuff like libt*rd)

Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.

Rule 7: Do not individually target other instances' admins or moderators.

Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this. Posts that do not meet this requirement can be posted to !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml

Rule 9: if you post ironic rage bait im going to make a personal visit to your house to make sure you never make this mistake again

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS