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LoglineAn accident while investigating a time portal sends Ensigns Beckett Mariner and Bradward Boimler through time from the 24th century, and Captain Pike and his crew must get them back where they belong before they can alter the timeline.

Written by Kathryn Lyn & Bill Wolkoff

Directed by Jonathan Frakes

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[-] Wyrm@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

My favourite line in the whole thing is right at the end when Commander Jack Ransom (played by Jerry O'Connell) walks past the poster of Lieutenant commander Una Chin-Riley (played by Rebecca Romjin) and calls her "The hottest first officer in Starfleet history."

For those who don't know, the Jerry O'Connell and Rebecca Romjin are married to each other.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I thought it was weird and a touch sleazier than we normally see from Ransom, but out of universe that is very sweet!

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sooooo many people that never watched Lower Decks are going to be asking why there was a koala in the opening and I'm delighted by that.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

"Why is he smiling? What does he know?"

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[-] ClarkDoom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Boimler exclaiming “RIKER” as he hopped on the saddle had me howling. Frakes is such a sport!

[-] zalack@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I saw somewhere that the actor improved that line which means he blurted it out with Riker standing right there which feels totally in line with the tone of the episode they were shooting. It's funny to me on so many levels.

[-] Continuumguy@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

Yep, they confirm it in Ready Room. Apparently Frakes' wife was dying from laughter watching the episode when that happened.

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[-] Mezentine@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

I cannot believe they had Boimler and Mariner move like physical cartoon characters and pulled it off that well, holy shit. We absolutely lost it when Boimler was tangled in the control panel

[-] poundsignbuttstuff@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And him doing his walk away from Una the second time. And so many of Tawnie's mannerisms like in the shuttle where she kinda strikes a pose before getting caught. And Quaid's mannerisms and screaming with Spock in the lab.

Those two really worked to make realistic versions of the silliness they have in LDS and it was magnificent. I caught so much more on second watch.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Loved having a Sunday morning cartoon 🖖

This episode was way better than it needed to be. I was genuinely moved seeing Una's reaction to the knowledge of her being the "poster girl", as well as the reaction of the Orion captain at the end.

Seeing Boimler and Mariner in this context really drives home how much Lower Decks is essentially "what if Trekkies could serve in Star Fleet" and it worked so well!

[-] Hogger85b@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Especially the poster girl part being how she (and her lawyer) presented her self in the trial in ep2

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

Yes exactly! To Boimler it was a major and inspiring story out of history, but to Una it was a personal moment that happened only recently. Imagine being told something you did that you thought was relatively minor (and over) would inspire generations of people in the years to come. Her reaction was perfect.

[-] Acid@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This episode is one of the best episodes in the modern era of Trek, it's lighthearted it's funny it celebrates Trek and it's done so tastefully that I genuinely have nothing bad to say about it. It reminds me of Trials and Tribble-ations.

Plus that line at the end where they tell Una ad astra per aspera and that's why boimler joined Starfleet is just the right kind of emotions.

Honestly, they smashed it in this episode and ofc the 2d animated intro was chefs kiss.

[-] letThemPlay@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolutely loved this episode, Boimler getting wrapped in the cables when jerry-rigging the sensors had me in tears; and the Riker as he swung his leg over the saddle brilliant bit of improv made even funnier knowing Drakes directed this.

They managed to tone down the lower deckers slighter whilst still having their full personalities come through.

Pikes getting more exacerbated with them throughout the episode was well done, and the amount of physical comedy I'm running out of superlatives for this episode.

It was just brilliant, easily my favourite of the current era.

Edit. Just wanted to add, loved seeing the LD uniform in love action; thought it translated really well.

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[-] williams_482@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Poor Christine Chapel! Now she knows what the audience has always known: her relationship with Spock is ultimately doomed. Plus a delightful mix of guilt and fear that she could unwittingly cause Spock to never measure up to the vague but crucial future that Boimler mentioned to her in the turbolift, simply by trying to make the two of them happy.

That suuuuuucks.

[-] polymorphist_neuroid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OMG! They managed to make that scene just so hilarious and poignant at the same time. Watching her facial expressions as she realizes what Boimler is telling her made me want to just scream at him to shut the fuck up and slap the shit out of him...but he's just being dear sweet clueless Boimey. :(

Theme-wise, I think they're setting up a comparison between Pike knowing his doom and Christine/Spock knowing their relationship is doomed. Knowing that, what do you do in the meantime?

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[-] deepthaw@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago
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I'm still giddy about this episode. Possibly the best thing I've ever seen.

One thing I noticed particularly in this episode is how respectful both SNW and LD are of canon and fandom in general - the bit about not all Orions being pirates, for example. I know it originates w/Tendi from Lower Decks, but just in the context of this episode they take the one-dimensional nature of the Orions from TOS, poke a little fun at it, but then make it about the bias that the Federation/Star Fleet has against a culture they really don't understand. The SNW writers effortlessly take what could be considered a flaw or one-dimensional writing from TOS and actually use it to flesh out the ST universe, all while telling a great story.

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Frakes is, in addition to an iconic Actor, the best Trek Director of the modern age. 11/10.

[-] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

That was amazing, on par with Trials and Tribble-ations for a crossover. Loved how well they integrated Boimler and Mariner without losing any of the character as LD has presented them.

[-] Continuumguy@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

Thoughts and observations as I watched over at the "other place", special Saturday night/early Sunday morning edition:

  • AHHHHH, WE'RE DOING THIS ON A SATURDAY!
  • AHHHHH, WE'RE GETTING THE CROSSOVER!
  • AHHHHH, A CROSSOVER BETWEEN A CARTOON COMEDY AND A LIVE ACTION DRAMA!
  • AHHHHH, IN GENERAL!
  • First off, that they have "Those Old Scientists" as the title is (chef's kiss).
  • Previously: Nyota had a really bad day, La'An got a bad case of Kirk hotness, and Chapel/Spock had a bad case of hotness for each other
  • OH GOD WE'RE STARTING ANIMATED
  • "Numero Una"
  • Tendi would like to remind you all that the Orions have a rich and varied history.
  • "You guys look... very realistic."
  • AHHHH, ANIMATED OPENING CREDITS!
  • Hahaha, the thing that eats the Ceritos Nacelle!
  • AHHHH, THE KOALA AT THE END OF THE CREDITS! WHY IS IT SMILING, WHAT DOES IT KNOW!?!?
  • "But flipping it open is the best part"
  • "Computer, end program."
  • "Worf's honor." DANGIT!
  • I wonder if Frakes showed Quaid how to properly do a Riker maneuver
  • "You just... laughed."
  • Ah, we're tying in with what Tendi said.
  • Boimler is a toddler knocking over furniture.
  • "We have jetpacks now"
  • Pike's birthday is a holiday... CRAP!
  • Boimler freaking out over the fact he made Spock laugh is such a Boimler thing.
  • Hey, a reference to his sehlat!
  • I like how they are using this episode to also move the other plotlines forward.
  • HE MENTIONED PIKE'S REALLY GREAT HAIR
  • Triticale, as opposed to Quadritriticale.
  • I totally saw Mariner coming.
  • Dystopian San Francisco!
  • "Have you noticed their references are weirdly specific?"
  • "Hot Spock agrees with me"
  • "It's a poster that is pinned up"
  • I feel like Tawny herself probably demanded a scene with Uhura
  • Ah, there's the Boimler scream!
  • "Holy Q!"
  • "They had a Trelane thing going on."
  • "He had to contour the hell out of the jawline"
  • "Oh, I already know." Hahaha, they finally got out-future knowledged.
  • Oh god, are they going to steal a piece of an NX?
  • Oh, just a piece of it in the Enterprise.
  • The "Mistress of the Winter Constellations" strikes again!
  • Of course Ransom calls Una the hottest first officer in starfleet history.
  • Hahaha, 2D animation Enterprise crew because they are drunk!
  • All-time classic.
[-] teft@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Of course Ransom calls Una the hottest first officer in starfleet history.

It's because they are married in real life. Jerry O'Connell and Rebecca Romijn that is, not Ransom and Numero Una.

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[-] batmaniam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"WHAT THE HELL IS IN THIS THING!"

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[-] Prouvaire@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

The danger with these "very special fun episodes" is that they can be confined to being just that. But what elevated this episode is how it used the time travel/crossover conceit to foreshadow, progress and pay off SNW character arcs, including Chapel and Spock's ultimately doomed relationship (something that I've previously said could be incredibly poignant, if handled right), Number One's legacy, and the way Pike confronts his fate. I hope the musical episode does the same.

[-] Continuumguy@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

They also tied in to Tendi's story on LD (her constant reminding to people that Orions have a culture far beyond pirating), even though we didn't see her in Live Action.

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[-] WrittenWeird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Best episode ever. 11/10, I'm still coming down off the high. Right up there with the LD DS9 ep and the last couple episodes of Picard. Peak modern Trek.

My expectations for this one were high, but I'm really impressed with how well they pulled it off. Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid did a great job of dialing their performances back just enough, and the SNW cast went just a little bit broader.

[-] Captain_Ender@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Small note I LOVE that they're extending the "not all Orions are pirates" theme!!! LD did such a great job demystifying a race of people with Ensign Tendi and it only makes sense that their people have always been more than just a stereotype even during the TOS era. Was cool to see Boimler help change that perception with the Enterprise crew and confirmed when the Orion science captain saying "that's all we wanted" about being seen as explorers just like Star Fleet!

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Apparently their visit back in time was always baked into this timeline. Explains why Temporal Investigations didn't get involved. Pretty cool that Tendi, through Boimler, had a hand in building the foundation for better relations between the Federation and Orions.

Yes! Boimler is a great example of an ally here - he tells Pike, who he spends all episode worshiping, directly and politely that his bias against Orions is wrong.

[-] Maolmi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

It was ... the best of both worlds.

[-] ki77erb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So many people were ragging on this idea. I think the episode firmly shut them up. This was top notch Trek! Fantastic from start to finish. I want more! Now they're complaining about the upcoming musical episode? Haters gonna hate I guess.

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[-] SpacedBear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Anyone else see Boimler do the Boim-walk to get away from Una the second time with Mariner there? I did not realize human hips could move like that.

[-] triktrek@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

Or even just the way he was running to catch up with Mariner.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes! I did the Dicaprio point at my tv when he started speedwalking.

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[-] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This was incredible and everything I could have hoped that it would be. 11/10, no notes.

[-] milkisklim@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The only thing I wished was for the Enterprise crew to have been in TAS style art animation at the end. But yeah. Great show!

[-] Continuumguy@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Still kind of hoping that one year they do a "Trials and Tribble-Ations" tribute episode where they go back to the Enterprise during TAS and splice in the LD guys in in the TAS style.

They could call it "Those Animated Scientists"

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[-] varda@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

I have only one note: no live action Tendi or Rutherford :(

Otherwise: yes, excellent.

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[-] adamlauver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"You guys look... very realistic." I guffawed. So thrilled to be watching this episode finally!

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