Buy a gun and fight for your life or you’ll die in prison.
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If it comes down to that, we've already lost.
Right now, I'd advise people to do as much outreach as possible to people you know. If you're on commercial social media, post a screenshot, put the link in a comment. Send a DM. Put up stickers.
Building the level of support that would be necessary to win a revolution likely makes nonviolent paths such as impeachment possible.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support. Not as a first choice.
The guns are to prevent violent suppression of that public support.
That's one part of it, but also people should be defending themselves and their communities from ICE and one way to do that is guns. When an ICE agent is arresting your neighbor the correct option isn't to preach nonviolence, but to pull the damn trigger.
In practice, what I've seen people do is to use large crowds. I haven't yet seen any overt use of guns for that kind of defense.
This is great when it works and you have the numbers. But long term that is not a solution and not a solution all the time. A gun is a solution at all times. Get one before they don't let you.
If they are coming for you it's not a "misunderstanding". You wont be able to talk your way out of it by being nice and doing what they say. They are Nazis. They are taking you to a death camp.
They don't care if you're a citizen. They didn't care when it was a green card.
Stay in your home and defend it. Coordinate with your neighbors. Have one of them to call to bring additional resistance and pressure. But have a gun. Because when they break down your door. That's it.
Organizing with your community to protect each other is the best thing you can do. And part of that is making sure you are all prepared and armed.
Large crowds are awesome because if you kill one person in the crowd
The murderer is judged by a jury of his peers and sentenced then and there.
That's remarkably hard to do in any kind of reliable way. ICE snatches are fast, and the odds of being there with a gun and recognizing what's going on are low. The odds of shooting somebody by mistake are high.
To date things like handing out red cards has been far more effective
ICE agents exist outside of ongoing raids. They sleep in beds and shop in stores.
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Damn right. “Please don’t arrest me, I was born here” depose.
It's not about winning. It's about resisting. You don't only resist when you have good odds of winning. The people that fought the Warsaw ghetto uprising knew they would die. It is better to die taking down a few Nazis then to die on their terms.
TLDR: Get a gun. Fuck ICE. They're Nazis.
"Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Put up stickers
Fuckin Americans LOL.
When the best places to spread the message of Resistance, like Reddit, have decided to actively comply and collude with the Nazis, we have to rely on other means to spread the message and give hope to those who think they are alone. Seeing stickers on poles and walls and bumpers as the go through their day, lets them know that there are others out there who are of the same mind.
Its not the only weapon, obviously, nobody expects the war to be won with stickers alone, but it's one piece of the puzzle that has a real effect. Propaganda is powerful, which is why the Reoublicans actively built the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which now fully controls the political messaging in America, as the Dems stood by, smugly scoffing, and totally neglecting their chance to answer it. Now they are 30 years behind in that game, and still haven't even started to conceptualize a strategy to confront it.
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“We’ve tried nothing and…”
I’m not exactly the most active person. Not been to protests here in Canada but I do vote and all that. But ya know what I don’t do? I don’t actively discourage people from protecting themselves.
You have already lost. The question is whether or not you’re willing to fight back and win in round two.
Centrists like you got us here. Status quos. Call your rep. Go chant in a circle and pray for a better life.
See where that got us? Don’t like being shot at? Don’t be a cunt.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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Let's be honest. If they come for you, you're going. Still, take someone with you on the way out.
Pretty much. If you’re gonna die either way, might as well make it an even trade.
Melt the ICE.
Oh for sure. I’m not Rambo. I’m just a biter.
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I just don’t feel comfortable bringing a gun into my house. I don’t think I stand a chance against 10 automatic-wielding ICE agents.
When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting in death row
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I will take my chance of stand off and quick death over being in prison in another state with no future.
You would be surprised how comically inept most LEOs are. They are regular people too. Take your chances.
that will just give them an excuse to murder you immediately, and then the right to murder anyone immediately.
although I'm not sure what else can be done, without saying anything illegal that might get me in an FBI watchlist and give me expedited tickets to a free vacation in el Salvador
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I think they should do that to any US Citizen with 34 convictions or more… starting with the orange ones!
Funny thing is the criteria they talk about would impact Melania Trump and Elon Musk, both of whom became citizens under false pretenses.
The plan is of course to send people whose skin color is too dark or hold left-wing views to the death camp in El Salvador.
Or people who aren't cis enough or straight enough, or anyone who makes a Republican man feel confused in his pants.
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Jordan Peterson constantly quotes Solzhenitsyn warning of what the Liberal party would do to canada or the democrats would do to the usa. He would then promote a tool like polievre or an overt fascist orangeman without any irony at all. Today he seems to be confused about what fascism is and has oftentimes waffles between endorsing them or trying to avoid discussing them, like a true intellectual coward who was wrong about everything he ever said
He's not confused about what fascism is, he knows and he wants it. Just like any fascist, you can't take what he says at face value, it's all trolling games like the Sartre quote.
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Fucking fascist
It's impressive how much of the recent deportation scheme leans on the cooperation of one tin-pot state.
There aren't that many other places with concentration camps conveninently located and leadership ready to deal. It's unlikely they'd build them domestically, it would take time, cost a fortune, and not achieve the explicit "we removed the evil foreigners" goal.
It would be interesting to see what happened if someone said "we'll pay you more than what America is paying to close the door." Would he have to just knock on every presidential palace in the hemisphere looking for a new partner? Try to scale Guantanamo 100x overnight?
It may even become a self filling cycle, though I don't know if they have even thought this far ahead.
1: Send legal Americans to Salvador prisons
2: Said Americans attempt to return
3: "Look at our border crisis!"
4: Fool idiots into thinking that there is now a border crisis, even though it's previously legal Americans in every sense of the word.
5: Blame "liberals"
6: Rinse repeat
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All while they insist that it is impossible for them to have anyone returned from there; even if the person was sent there "by mistake " in direct violation of multiple court orders, even if there are court orders to repatriate the person, and even if those orders come from SCOTUS.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt confirmed this week that the president has discussed this idea privately, too, adding he would only do this “if it’s legal.” [...] Stephen Yale-Loehr, a retired immigration law professor at Cornell University, tells Rolling Stone he worries Trump could try to deport citizens anyway, court precedent be damned, given how the administration seems to be “attacking on all fronts and worrying later whether their actions are legal. So unfortunately, it would not surprise me if we saw at least one plane load of incarcerated U.S. citizens being shipped off to El Salvador.”
Oh, at least one
“It’s not like we would send everybody there — but depending on the case, it can be an option,” says one of the people familiar with the matter,
Riiiiight. That's what they said about the deportations, that it would only be the worst, most violent criminals taken into custody and returned home. Instead they're snatching people off the streets and out of their homes, throwing them into vans, moving them around the country so their families, friends and lawyers can't find them, and sending into a death camp that's not under control of US law, without due process and no possibility of return.
Who could've seen this coming?
The inevitable progression of insane orange logic.
Trump says that the future of a man resident in the US, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, is not up to the US.
Trump also says that the future of Greenland is not up to Greenland but up to US.
What the fuck -- how can the US demand an actual country from a country and not a resident from a country ?
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