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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the"mute" feature, a.k.a. "I'm not listening, pinky promise! πŸ˜‡."

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago

Alexa, please unmute!

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Please do not say 'Down with Big Brother' unless the Telescreen is 'turned off'"

πŸ™„

Not even turned off... Just muted. Because that's the same thing as not listening.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not even surprised. All your info is being sent around by shady fax-to-email conversion companies using Chinese servers. Ask me how I know--we use them.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

The US is so cooked

[–] Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So very curious about the Ted Kaczynski photo in the background.

[–] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

His manifesto was all about technology controlling our lives. That’s my guess as to why that’s in there.

[–] Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah.. I feel kind of stupid now.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That, racism, fascism, and incel grievances.

And wanting to blow people up regardless

It's a meme that people will add his photo to images of technology acting in ways that it shouldn't.

Another example:

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We had this policy at my last job, but not due to HIPAA. Any time "Alexa" came up in conversations, it was very common for peoples' devices to chime in, telling on them.

Granted, we were in tech, so we were very aware that these things aren't recording everything you say and sending the recordings off to motherbrain nor "spying", per se.

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I recall them being caught of being in the possession of recordings they shouldn’t have had.

On top of this the option of not sending recordings to the cloud is being removed just now - so they stopped pretending to respect your privacy.

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'd need more (and reliable) information to comment on your first statement.

For your second statement, there were apparently a limited number of devices which could process some commands locally, but most devices never had that capability to begin with. For the ones that could, it sounds like Amazon is deprecating the functionality. Does that sound correct? Either way, that's still a substantially different situation from having a device that's recording everything you say and uploading it to the cloud.

Newsweek has a good overview.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Ah yes. "Muted".

If you should be aware of anything, it should be that if you have an Internet connected microphone the only way to truly know it's muted is to remove it from power.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I had a few Google Home devices, they had a switch to turn off the mic. I assume it was legit switch, because the thing literally yelled at you and had bright red lights any time you muted it. It literally said "The mic is turned off" every time it booted up in a voice that reminds me of a child tattling on their sibling.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

Have some too, I would not be surprised if it's a software driven hardware switch lol

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, was gonna post this.

Good luck, this hospital's IT department, good fucking luck.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They don't need it. 802.11x. Problem solved.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

... Can you expand on what you mean by that?

Are you saying just... firewall all the Echoes, lock them out of any ability to access the actual internet?

So they never phone home?

I mean... yeah I guess that could work, if you took the time to manually do custom firmware updates on them in some way that only involves your local (hospital) intranet... and overrides the default proprietary firmware and basically flashes it with some custom system that doesn't rely on AWS connections to work... if... that even exists...

Their hospital oriented implementation... was... reliant on a constant AWS connection to actually process voice recordings, transform them into text or some other digital format, then send that back to the hospital, "securely."

https://www.hipaajournal.com/amazon-ends-support-for-third-party-hipaa-eligible-alexa-skills/

Apparently they actually lost HIPAA compliance back in 22.

If they are literally just a being used as an intercomm system... why would you even use Echoes?

There are tons of other, actually HIPAA compliant, hospital oriented, digital intercomm software systems and manufacturers.

Seriously, please explain to me how '802.11x', a term that means 'all wifi standards', somehow solves the problem of Echoes being non HIPAA compliant, requiring constant access to Amazon servers to actually process the raw audio...

Please elaborate.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some of them have hardware switches

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

but that could simply be wired to an LED and nothing else

[–] wischi@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

By that logic these devices can have internal batteries too.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This sign implies they're fully aware of how unsafe it is to have a device like that. SO WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HAVE ONE?!

[–] silverlose@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

I guess it’s a tele-health thing? Otherwise yeah wtf

[–] pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh they're so cool and convenient!!

/s but sadly not /s

I hate this place

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a enthusiastic home cook being able to set timers without using my hands is a godsend. Thats 90% of what my google nest hub does.

[–] pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But your phones already do that

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I disabled voice assistant on my phone. My wife wanted a google nest for home, after the novelty wore off its basically a timer-setter and sometimes turning the tv on when I cant find the remote.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

Please remember to unplug and throw the echo out of the building. Preferably into a woodchipper.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

Only acceptable if their mute button is a hammer.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I worked for a couple years at a residential school where a lot of the kids had significant medical issues (to the point part of our training was on HIPAA). Tons of kids had echo devices, and I spent a significant chunk of my time there trying to get anyone to take seriously the huge privacy risk those things posed.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Is it more of a risk than your cell phone?

Pull the fuckin plug, holy shit. It’s not that hard.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Why is there a mugshot superimposed on this photo? It's just one of those psychological tests where most people don't see it because they expect the window to be reflecting something and they're just reading the sign?

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's the mugshot of Ted Kaczynski, AKA the Unabomber, who was quite famous for having an extreme aversion to technology and how he perceived its role in the downfall of society.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Makes sense. Thanks.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know shit's bad when you start to realize Ted had a few good points.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Uncle Ted had a lot of good points, he just went about expressing them uhhhhhh

VERY poorly

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I want such a voice thingy, but 100% local.

Homeassistant is making porgress with this idea, but it's a slow progress.

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago

The new update looks great! I'm yet to try it myself though.

It includes a way to automatically have the voice assistant ask a question, so you only have to respond. E.g. when you come home it can ask: Do you want to play some music? Or when you heat up the oven, it can ask if you want to set a timer. You then just reply with what you want. This is the kind of interaction that makes it feel a lot more like Jarvis IMO.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's how I feel about AI stuff too. Like, I'd love to "Ghibli-fi" my family like everyone else, but I'd prefer to run it locally rather than hand over family photos to one of these AI companies.

Miyazaki says AI art is an insult to life itself

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