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[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For anybody who thinks that animals in their natural environment are all happy...yeah imagine living for decades without any sort of dental care. Evolution is about surviving, not thriving.

It's odd to me that anyone fantasizes about nature in general being peaceful. Especially when the plot of most nature documentaries can be summarized as "fall in love with this creature, then experience the stress of watching it struggle desperately to survive."

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

This little cunt of mine tended to inflame every other month instead of teething already. I decided to remove it, and I ended up spending almost 2 hours in surgery because it had fused into another tooth. Instead of coming out cleanly, it broke and a few fragments were left behind

Doc said it was okay to leave it as it would be absorbed or come out again eventually. Almost a year later, and the little prick sends his regards by inflaming my face completely and having to rush to surgery again.

Hopefully it was the end of that. Fuck this SOB

[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Human mandible shrank a bit the last millenia, probably thanks to the rise of agricolture and easily chewable food, but that left less space for teeth to grow properly

[–] Fluke@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Intelligent Design"

Fucking LOL

[–] roguesignal@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think a lot of folks assume that evolution means "all the crappy stuff whittled out over time, and only the good stuff remains" when in fact I think evolution aims for "eh, they reproduced. Good enough"

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago

Creationist love to bring up all the wonderful things in the world. They tend not to bring up things like the recurrent laryngeal nerve or bot flies.

In fact, I think they're confused as to why science would even bring these up. If evolution is a religion (as they often claim), why would that religion point to something so weird or ugly? The answer is that evolution just is, and it does weird and ugly things sometimes. Our job is to study the weird and ugly things it makes while also finding a better moral system than mere evolution.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, see, your mistake is brushing your teeth and living past 30. If your back molars were properly rotten enough to gracefully pop out when the wisdoms grew in, and then you died before that one rotted and you couldn't chew anymore, you wouldn't have any problems.

Literally.

[–] ShankShill@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ancient humans had surprisingly good teeth. They weren't soaked in acid and sugar.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Depends on where they were and what they were eating. Humans are really amazing in that we can eat almost anything that's not a straight up tree, and we've existed across the planet in just about every ecological niche. I remember reading somewhere they could estimate the age of desert burial/skeleton remains on how worn the teeth are due to the sand getting in the food. But I'm sure no processed sugar is pretty beneficial tho

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Not all. Pre industrial humans where I live ate a lot of slow roasted cactus. After 2 days buried with hot stones the cactus hearts were caramelized. I've tasted it prepared in the traditional manner and it's just syrup in a leaf. Delicious, and I have no doubt it was great energy for people that had to walk miles every day.

Anyone that lived past 30 had their teeth rot right out of their head, according to the archiological record.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Mine were growing directly sideways. I'm an evolutionary failure.

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So were mine. They had to shatter most of them to get them out.

Passed out from the pain the first time I tried to eat post operation, lol

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With the pain killers! Found out that I'm very sensitive pain that day.

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[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I guess I should buy a lottery ticket, then, because my wisdom teeth came in pretty much straight. The only problem I ever have is getting anything back there for cleaning.

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 123 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Evolutionarily, it only matters that you reproduce.

[–] the_beber@lemm.ee 68 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I can‘t even do that. The reason: Skill issue

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 40 points 3 days ago

So that’s evolution at work.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

… and that your children survive to reproduce

Otherwise we’d have no incentive to care for our kids.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Evolution meant to tell you to get out of the gene pool.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

It's because humans in the wild would lose teeth by that time and need more.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Pre-dentistry, a bunch of your teeth would have fallen out before your wisdom teeth came in. There would have been space for the wisdom teeth so they wouldn't need to come in sideways.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 3 days ago (4 children)

We used to have larger mouths, they've been shrinking as we evolved

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_jaw_shrinkage

[–] Lyrl@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they’ve been shrinking as we ~~evolved~~ changed our diet

No genetic changes (evolution) happened. If as children we ate only very tough meat and lots of chewy vegetables - no bread or rice or potato softness - our same genetics would result in much larger adult jaws.

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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Are you sure about that? We lost so many teeth after the industrialisation of sugar production (machines and slavery) but I'm not sure how bad it was before then.

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[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is what gets me about the sentiment of "humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years without toothpaste/sunscreen/antibiotics/vaccines/etc and we were just fine!"

My dude, we were most definitely not fine. A lot of people died painful and preventable deaths, many of them children, and we're around today because existing that way was just good enough to keep us going as a species.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"They were just fine!" You mean that the 40-60% of people who lived past 15 were just fine until about 50-70?

[–] jumbonipples@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Just because people still lived a long time doesn’t mean they had a good time living.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Me some years ago

Can still hear the sound of them breaking it to get it out

[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All four of my wisdom teeth were impacted, and it took around six hours for them to be removed. Thankfully, I was unconscious during the procedure.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"You really shouldn't be awake for this" - the orthodontist crushing my sideways wisdom teeth with pliers so he can rip the shards out individually.

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[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago

Me: does nothing

Evolution: fuck you

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your jaw got smaller and you stopped loosing teeth so fast. It's your own fault, really.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pre-anethesia, you mean. There were dentists around for a long time, but I don't think you would've enjoyed being their patient...

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[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Born without wisdom teeth...

Not sure if that makes me more evolved or less lol

[–] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mine's are pointing 90° on the wrong direction.

They are dormant but I've warned that if they decide to start being funny I'll be fucked. :D

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

my wisdom teeth surgery was the best sleep ive ever had

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I saw the X-ray of my own jaw and they wanted to remove my wisdom teeth and were asking if they hurt (they don't) because they are fully sideways and apparently pressing against a nerve.

I ain't paying for that shit. They don't bother me. I don't care how gnarly it looks; it's unnecessary and expensive.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

My wife did the same as you. Ten years later her wisdom teeth, in the process of trying to get out, broke one of her other teeth so she had to not only remove them but restore her once healthy tooth. Much more expensive (and painful) this way.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

They can actually seriously fuck up your mouth very quickly, and you often won't find out until the fuckery is underway. I had two removed when the dentist told me they might cause future problems, I had no pain, but now they're out I can actually feel my teeth kinda relaxing? I guess the pressure was there but I just got used to it.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I delayed it for maybe 10 years after they first started asking if I wanted to get them removed, then finally decided it was time about a year or two ago. The recovery sucked for a couple of days, but I don't remember my bill being exceptionally bad (I think my insurance paid quite a bit though).

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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

It means that humans developed empathy and the scientific means to help each other avoid natural selection. Intraspecies and interspecies empathy is the cheat code against natural selection. Certain ram species, for example, also were not designed intelligently, so as they age they may grow their horns until they penetrate their skull and kill them. Natural selection is most effective when it culls prior to the life form procreating. However, thanks to the power of empathy, we can abate natural selection by performing oral surgery on humans (ideally in our adolescence for wisdom teeth removal) and by shaving rams’ horns as they age. Ideally, as science develops and empathy spreads, we can come up with more effective and painless means to ensure everybody has a chance to live and be happy.

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