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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Whether it's now or later, life has to get a lot worse before it gets better. People will have to feel a lot more pain than they're feeling now before they do more than bitch and moan online.

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[–] Babalugats@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When it's all done and dusted, I hope it's the beginning of the end for corporate capitalism as we know it. Allowing them to become that big and powerful through corruption that they literally think that they can control the world, is insane.

This is happening because of greed.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It always happens because of greed. All of history.

[–] Babalugats@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yet not one lesson was learned. If anything, they've made it worse. No accountability, monopolies in almost every sector, or vast majority ownerships.

[–] mr_jawa@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

Don’t discount religion in that mix.

[–] darcranium123@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

We are about to become a cautionary tale other countries use to warn eachother not to go too hard into capitalism

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Screwed is always relative.

I'm hearing chat that immigrants from places like Turkey or India are going "oh yeah this is what it's like back home".

So it's possible it just goes full neoliberal (i.e. no consequences or regulations for the rich) and the division of wealth grows even further.

Provided he doesn't cause a war or some kind of other mass-death problem (chemical spills, reactor meltdown etc) it might just have a cost primarily in human suffering, as opposed to human life.

[–] expLogian@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

I joined Lemmy today, and while reading the TOS I had a sigh of relief when I got to the end and the US was not on the list of countries it follows the laws of. Instead it's the three countries at the top of my wishlist of places I'd like to flee to to avoid being sent to a camp, even! Well, Finland has the same problem Canada has of having one of the worst neighbors in the world right now, but Germany and the Netherlands are great options. Rule 1 would have only weeks, maybe months, to live before Elon Musk ordered discrimination against minorities to be mandatory instead of prohibited if Lemmy was following the laws of the dying country I live in. Well, "laws". We don't really have laws anymore, it's all royal decrees now. Everybody is currently holding their breath on whether they've consolidated dictatorial power well enough to enforce them.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 20 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So, in the best case scenario, the US as we know it is done and, after a hard fall and hitting rock bottom, will emerge as a country that is less of a capitalist hellhole. Ideally, in the process, other countries will find more independence from the USA, be it trade wise or security wise.

The more realistic scenario is that everything will stay the same/similar and just get slightly worse all the time but every other country will still suck up to the USA and everything gets a little worse. Oh yeah and climate change will fuck everyone up the ass.

The worst case scenario, I would argue, is that this ends in the destruction of the world via nuclear war within less than an hour. This is what I am scared of the most.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The worst case scenario, I would argue, is that this ends in the destruction of the world via nuclear war within less than an hour. This is what I am scared of the most.

I just want to know ahead of time frankly because I know where the nuke is likely to hit in our city and I'm out of the insta-vaporize zone so I want to get closer.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago

I'm afraid you won't have time. It will take minutes. And I'm not even sure it would be announced.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Yes. How much and for how long is the real questions, luckily I live in CA and if the country dissolves we'll just do everything ourselves. In fact, We'll be better off as we provide 60% of the US tax revenue, and we get noting close to that in return.

[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 24 points 1 day ago

In a sense it is done. That sense is being a beacon of progress. All presidents before Trump understood the relationship America had with the world as being a world power. While there always was a conservative voice in America, conservative presidents were always able to mask self interest under the flag of progress, bringing democracy, peace and free markets. Now ultraconservative fascist are no longer masking, Trump and Musk are literally not smart enough to understand. The USA played a very important role in the world order and the current administration is basically giving that up.

Trump and Musk, because they really aren't smart (i can't stress this enough, they lack the mental capacity), are not considering the value of that role, the services the US provides. They only think about the value of things and of money. More rockets, tarifs on goods, expenditure... And see these as things along which progress is measured.

While that does, to a small extent, captures progress. It forgets the foundations of progress, peace, education, financial security, social cohesion, to name a few. Sorry, i say forget... But really what i should be saying is dismantling. They are also clueless about the value of services and the service economy. Which is, or has become, another measure of progress.

Anyway the point is, the US can't maintain their position in the world order. They can't maintain a government that understands their responsibility in that order. They abandoned their classic role without providing the world with a new/better one.

The US has been degraded to a trade partner.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We been screwed for decades; all the minor plot threads, foreshadowing, and chekhov's implements are all just coalescing at the same time for one last grand finale.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingerich, Mitch McConnell, and now Trump (and arguably many others along the way) have been choosing self over country and intentionally breaking safeguards for longer than most of us on Lemmy have been alive. It's indirect violence. But it's violence regardless. And they've gotten away with it so far.

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[–] Deifyed@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Just wanted to say: react now. Their actions will slowly get normalized and it will be a much harder fight once culture starts working against you

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (10 children)

We live in a criminally stupid country but Musk is doing his best to show everyone that being a billionaire should be a crime.

Edit: the tweet is fake, btw

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I hate this dumbshit as much as trump, but we shouldn't be sharing fake twitter posts. It doesn't help anything.

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[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My brother sent this to me the other day and I gave it a watch. It feels pretty unbiased (although I'm uneducated), and seems to have a more macro, zoomed-out view of America and just nations on the whole. I thought it was pretty interesting and it helped to put some things in perspective.

[–] CallMeButtLove@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Very interesting, but I don't feel better after watching that... :(

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Ha, I should've mentioned that you definitely won't. It seems to paint this damned if we do damned if we don't picture. But it at least paints a picture, versus what can at times feel like this great big unknown. It may also shed some light on some of the motivations for what's happening. I dunno.

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

We're cooked fam. Can't wait for the reboot.

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It's never over.

Even the worst dictatorship can collapse. They get internally couped until the dictator learns to purge anyone capable of challenging them, then human mortality fixes that dictator and the government collapses

It's not good though. The best time to fix it was ages ago before Reagan. The second best time is right now before the police state is firmly in place

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