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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

American here. Maybe I'm going through the five stages of grief and now I'm at acceptance.

Everything in your first paragraph sounds accurate and maybe something that probably needed to happen. America as the World Police is/has been a problem. There were some positives, but a lot of negatives.

The sooner America gets off the stage, the better. We don't deserve the recognition. We can't even feed our own people and yet wield tremendous influence internationally, and maybe it's a positive thing that it ends soon.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My only concern is that I expect an increase in international conflict as the American security guarantee is gone. The only remaining countries capable of projecting power internationally can't do it on nearly the scale of the USA. I expect a lot of wars until new spheres of influence get established.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My global political history isn't great, and maybe others can correct me here, but it doesn't feel like the US has had much of a stabilising effect in the last 30 years.

There's plenty of conflicts that just don't make the news that the US just isn't interested in. Poor places with no oil or other resources. Presently Burma comes to mind. There always seems to be somewhere in Africa, last decade there was genocide in Congo IIRC.

Also it's not really clear whether their involvement in the middle east over the last few decades was positive or negative.

It's nice to have them hovering around South China Sea to keep China in check I guess.

[–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The USA put a stop to the wars on the Balkans in the 1990s: Bosnia, Kosovo.

Saddam Hussein is another one. Without the USA, he might have continued his expansion after Kuwait into Syria for example.

Latin America has had no major wars, only guerrillas and such for a long time.

The USA made peace between Egypt and Israel possible, a cornerstone for stability in the region.

The USA also kept Europe together with NATO.

Pax Americana is a thing for sure.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Saddam Hussein is another one. Without the USA,

Damn, and then what happened?

Latin America has had no major wars, only guerrillas and such for a long time.

And major fascist take overs, backed by the USA, of course.

The USA also kept Europe together with NATO.

Lol

The USA made peace between Egypt and Israel possible, a cornerstone for stability in the region.

Lol, yeah; the US sure has done a good job at regional stability by stepping on the neck of anyone who gets in the way of Isreal's genocidal settler colonial project.

Deeply unserious

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club -1 points 3 days ago

The USA definitely went crazy after 9/11 and has done destabilizing things to the international community. I'm not denying that.

However, the USA has a big stick that has been able to keep most borders frozen. Without the threat of American intervention, I can see a lot of wars between countries start because war became an option.

And this could come to pass with a peaceful China.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

an increase

People in the Middle East are really not seen as people.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is including the Middle East.