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Hey UK and France... Canada here. Just wondering... You still have our backs eh? (lemmy.world)

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[–] gaael@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

France here, our mainstream media is currently either billionaire-owned and pushing Trump and Musk admiration or publicly owned but influenced by our current government (Macron and co.) which does everything possible to cosy up to billionaires so they haven't yet (and probably never will) called Trump a fascist or Musk a neo-nazi.

You came and died in France during two world wars in the 20th century but I'm afraid France as a nation isn't gonna have your back in this timeline - except if we manage to elect a real-left government next time.

Good luck!

[–] Snowstorm@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was kind of expecting this, thanks for your honesty. Many people in Canadian sub talk about NATO’s article 5, but the truth is nobody can send military gear to the nose of US navy and aviation across the Atlantic. An article 5 would be nationalization of US asset in Europe, reversing all investment in the US and maybe expelling the US from military bases in Germany. Not much would be done on Canadian ground.

Free media and journalists encouraged to dig deep and challenge things is a big part of democracy.

[–] gaael@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

TIL about article 5, thanks!
I really hope mimitary action won't happen...

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Inasmuch as we can, yeah. None of our planning so far has allowed for the possibility of Moronica turning into a loose cannon and going around threatening all its friends and allies. As with Ukraine, if Moronica decides you're fucked, you're fucked, and there's not a whole lot we can do about it.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

If none of your planning prepared you for that, you need new planners.

[–] bromosapiens@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m an American who lives in the UK and I’ll go to war for you guys before I ever go for the US military.

[–] thebigslime@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

American who's lived his whole life stateside. Agreed.

[–] useyourmainfinger@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Australia too, we got ya..

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What does it really mean to have each-other's backs?

I think one thing would be making some agreements in advance when it comes to refugees. Make it easier for Canadians to escape to the EU if the US does something stupid, and make it easier for Europeans to move to Canada if Russia does something crazy.

Other than that, I don't know what immediate steps could really be done. I'd love it if Canada would adopt some of the European privacy regulations, ditching the American-style laws currently in effect. But, a lot of things wouldn't be easy to change. Our cars, appliances, construction techniques, electricity voltages, plug designs, etc. are all very American-style, and those kinds of things have a lot of momentum.

But, I don't really see a downside to making the movement of people a little easier. I think plenty of Canadians would love to live and work in Europe. I think a fair number of Europeans would love to live and work in Canada -- at least once Canada finally adopts proper vacation lengths, parental leave laws, etc.

[–] Snowstorm@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Canada would be happy with most if not all of Europe’s privacy laws once we choose to ignore US interest.

Quebec has some decent parental leave and the current federal government (Liberal-NDP) wants a nationwide implementation.

Electricity could stay different just like UK didn’t use the Euro when they where member. Most other laws should be Europe inspired even if we ‘compete’ with the US deregulation. I would love agriculture related laws to be harmonized to the high standard in Europe.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

A different electrical system would mean that all safety laws about electricity wouldn't apply, there are probably work-arounds for that, but you'd lose the benefit of harmonized rules for hundreds of millions of people.

And while actual Canadians would like Europe's privacy laws, the Canadian oligarchs (the Weston family, the Irvings, etc.) probably wouldn't. Same with parental leave, vacation time, etc. And governments don't have a good track record of listening to Canadian citizens instead of the oligarchs / business interests.

Personally, I'd love for Canada to become more European, but I know there would be a lot of resistance.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

There's already EU territory with 110V systems, even 60Hz, or more precisely said Guyana is a clusterfuck of different systems. Standardisation would be nice but it does have limited market impact so the EU is comfortable to just not. Also the main reason European stoves won't work as intended in Canada isn't 220V, you do have 220V, but because they're expecting three 220V phases to be fully powered, they can pull up to 13kW with everything at full tilt. Most can be configured to draw less and be hooked up to a single phase, though, you could use those. Modern DC converters don't mind the differing voltages and frequencies in the first place and with DC motors being quite popular making e.g. a blender dual-voltage is actually quite simple, which leaves us with things like hair dryers and I mean who cares.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

Absolutely. Never met a Canadian I didn't like.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Northern Brit here: we have to have each other's backs. The only way we're getting off Mr Bones' Wild Ride is together ❤️ we can do this.

Resist. Rebel. Revolt. ✊

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck trump. Canadians are our friends and family.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Hell, a lot of Americans still have your ~~banks~~ backs.

[–] Camzing@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope that is a typo.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

ROFL, yes it is. But given the current state of the government here nabbing federal government budgets, it's a hilariously ill-timed one!

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Hey, Canada! Have you considered EU membership?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

I don't think Canada should fully be in the EU, but some kind of set of bilateral arrangements like Switzerland has would be a good start.

Since Canada has lots of historical ties with the UK, it might work out well to have some kind of arrangement with the UK, Canada and the EU. That would let Britain start to undo some of the damage from Brexit, while also allowing Canada to reinforce those ties to the UK.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We didn't know we had that option. But hell yeah... what do we have to do? Make Google and Apple put a "West Europe" label over Canada?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

"West West Europe"

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[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey EU, we'll upvote your countries if you upvote Canada. Interested in equal trade?

Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - Equivalent Exchange

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

i was wondering around Berlin once upon a time. in the park behind the parliament.

a slightly overly helpful german said "excuse me. are you lost?" i mumbled "no no, not really"

they walked beside me for a bit and said "ah you are english. i will take you to the parliament it's just over there". and i agreed

then they said "your boys died for my country" which really took my breath away

so yeah we got your back cananadia. that's what we do when the fundamentalists kick off. even if we have to die

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