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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Someone pointed out that the deprogram boys might've beaten me to it by like 3 days. It's apparently in their video on it, I watched it but must have not paid attention as I couldn't find the specific part, but worth noting.

Anyway I'm convinced this is the strongest way to push back against it.

[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

But I enjoy being an evil Redfash Tankie that eats babies and beats the elderly with sacks full of potatoes.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every time someone says "red fash" I ask them this and it pretty much exposes that it's anti-communism and that there is no form of marxist they support.

red fash

Do you include Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Vietnam, Laos, Nepal, the Kerala district of India, or more complicated places like Angola, Nicaragua etc in that? Is there a type of “red” (marxist) that you don’t call a fascist? (serious question)

[-] axont@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One time I did this with a supposed socialist and he said Cuba didn't count as tankie since they're monoethnic (they aren't). Apparently this person was under the impression socialism is good when it's one ethnicity per society, which doesn't even describe Cuba though. He proceeded to talk about how "tankie countries" are defined by ethnic oppression, examples being Russians oppressing Hungarians or China oppressing the Taiwanese.

I only have an example of one, but I have to believe this is a common ideological underpinning for a lot of confused western leftists

[-] Changeling@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

There’s a lot of truly bizarre opinion on nationalism and ethnicity when it comes to “tankie” and “red fash” discourse. Some streaming had a whole filled diaper moment talking about how anti-imperialist movements in Africa are ethno-nationalists for wanting to kick out their white ruling classes.

[-] AHopeOnceMore@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Cuba? Monoethnic? Like... if there's one thing people know about ethnicity in Cuba it's the contributions of Afrocubans to the revolution

[-] Comp4@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They would probably say they support socialist countries such as Sweden and Norway...

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I'm ok with them exposing themselves like that.

[-] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Now, George Orwell was a huge piece of shit but he did work in British propaganda, so a lot of the shit in :1984: is a projection of the Empire's acutal techniques so is sometimes useful to think about.

And "woke" and "tankie" are absolutely the paragon of newspeak. They're purely vibes-based words that boil down to nothing more than 'bad thing' or 'bad person', and they instantly terminate the thoughts of anyone who says them. They simplify and irrationalise discourse in a way that completely disrupts arguments of reason - if a chud or a liberal hears something sensible that they don't like, they can just spit out their totem word and all their cognitive dissonance is expelled along with it. You cannot be right because you are woke/a tankie, so I can (and must!) manually halt my brain from processing what you said by slapping you with my magic word. And this magic word is a full-spectrum shield that applies to absolutely anything that challenges me from any direction.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Shit, being against US imperialism is all it takes to be a tankie now?

I don't like it. I can't be a tankie, I'm an anarchist. And I have shit taste in tanks.

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