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A Republican House member introduced a resolution to amend the U.S. Constitution to allow President Donald Trump — and any other future president — to be elected to serve a third term.

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i mean, given his age and health, even if he had the legal right to a third term i'd be shocked if he made it that far. Him croaking during this term isn't even something I'd be that surprised about

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago (5 children)

He would be 86 by the end of a third term, bro is absolutely not making it that far.

[–] Cammy@hexbear.net 62 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Surely the grim spectre of death will stop Trump!

Trump: wriggles out

Ah, well, nevertheless...

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago

Oh fuck his father lived to 93 sicko-no

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[–] ShitPosterior@hexbear.net 59 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Passes and spineless dems show they whole spineless asses then trump dies a few months before his third term. Best timeline

[–] Khoryphos@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Watch lib brains break all over again at how fast someone else picks up the torch after he croaks.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

yea

Trump is just the pretext, they are preparing the ground for an unending GOP Presidency.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 54 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We're going to get Obama's third term with Kamala as VP, aren't we?

[–] Saeculum@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

It's his turn (again)

[–] jack@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

The last thing he wants is to have to do shit

[–] buh@hexbear.net 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Bush will win the democratic party nomination in 2028 and he'll run against Trump.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

Please don't speak this into existence lol

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'll note that you didn't specify which Bush jeb

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

OMG. I feel it in my bones

[–] PurrLure@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

IT'S TIME TO STOP blob-stop

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[–] TheGenderWitch@hexbear.net 51 points 11 months ago

oh my god they're actually doing it lmao

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The process to amend the US constitution is so convoluted it will never happen again.

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Not in time for Trump to have a 3rd term anyway, if Trump even lives that long.

He's just showing off how eager he is to get on his knees and lick the boots of the administration before they even asked him too. He needs Trump to know what a good boy he is.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

Wow, this is unprecedented! Time for bipartisanship to take action!

[–] MarxusMaximus@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Are term limits conceptually good? Aren't they just arbitrary?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't until FDR that we made term limits part of the constitution. He served 4 terms that eventually led to the New Deal. The new deal was devastating for the capitalist class at the time, and they have been working tirelessly to undo the effects since. However, I, personally, believe the implementation of this into the constitution was to prevent another series of presidencies as impactful as FDR. This isn't the first time the legislature attempted to repeal it, either. They tried and failed in 1956. Truman described the law as "Stupid" and one of the worst amendments of the Constitution, next to the Prohibition amendment. Regan also spoke out against it, as well as Bill Clinton. Like many others have pointed out, many western democracies do not have term limits. I think it's also worth pointing out that many western democracies also do not directly elect their president, but instead their president is elected by the party (much like China does, and how the USSR did, and many other AES states.)

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Among socialists, I think we all agree FDR was a capitalist through and through who understood the situation America was in. He used the New Deal to save capitalism from being overthrown by the very real threat of socialist revolution. The New Deal acted as a release valve.

It's something the generation of New Deal Democrats understood (such as LBJ's Great Society program) current day democrats don't. Today's democrats are so high on their own supply of bullshit Austrian economics they don't realize the consequences of austerity.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

IMO I think they aren't any good in a vacuum but I do think it's a good thing that the US specifically has them for the president. If they weren't there, a determined ghoul administration would be much more effective at just running the gauntlet for decades (the eternal Obama). Currently the "deep state" fulfills that function and there's a limit to how much they can do domestically, with the inherent limit that they have to act behind the scenes.

[–] MarxusMaximus@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But even without term limits the president would have to spend just as much time focusing on campaigning, right? You would still have the same amount of elections. The president would still spend just as much time ruling the empire as now.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I meant it in the sense that you wouldn't get the rigamarole we're seeing right now where one guy comes in, does a few things, the next guy comes in and undoes all of them. One president ruling for decades means they can get a coherent program going, which is bad for the rest of the world.

[–] MarxusMaximus@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

Okay, I think I understand. Trump wants to fuck with Biden's legacy who wants to fuck with Trump's legacy who wants to fuck with Obama's legacy and so forth. Term limits are good in the US because fuck the US.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The more time a president has in office, the more they can "consolidate power", which when translated from liberal actually means that they have the time and popularity to take control of the country away from state bureaucracies and entrenched civil society institutions (both of which are the key organs through which the capitalist class's excercises it's power).

While trump and the like have no intention of doing anything good with a third term, the reason why so many capitalists/liberals are terrified of fascism/Communism is that these transfer political power from the traditional organs of bourgeois power to the state.

Of course the fascists only do this in order to unify the bourgeoise and eliminate competition amongst them (emergency mode of capitalism).

In this context, term limits in any society come with a big asterisk. Such measures (including stuff like constitutional rights, which in practice only protect the rich) are basically liberal society's way of operating in normal times. Their degradation across the entire west signals an era of great change. The bourgeoise are gearing up and hardening themselves for class war on a scale never seen before.

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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's arguments to be made for and against. On one hand, no term limits means someone can focus on governing, rather than constantly running a campaign. Incumbents often have to do less work in this regard because they're already established. On the other, it means it's harder to remove incumbents. You see this a lot in local elections where people often run unopposed. They get elected anyway, regardless of their performance.

Some places will just make the terms longer (such as 10 years or more) so a candidate will want to leave office, yet still have time to accomplish what they want. One of the US's problems is we're on four year cycles for president and 2 year cycles for congress. This is especially deceptive because of the delay between laws passing and the effects of those laws being seen. The economy is one example. We don't see the consequences of a president's economic policies until nearly the end of their second term due to turnover, people moving, companies setting up 5 year plans, stock dividends, etc.

[–] MarxusMaximus@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So term limits make a lot of sense in ineffectual systems of government that are more focused on the spectacle of campaigning and elections than the actual governing? I can definitely see how political apathy would lead to incumbents running unopposed but I'm not sure I understand how a lack of term limits automatically benefit the incumbent, other in the fact that they literally have to step down once they reach the limit.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago

Would he even be alive by a third term?

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They're doing it for the wrong reasons, but I'd be happy if that limit wasn't there. It's fundamentally anti-democratic. Not that the us is a democracy and removing it now will just make fascist consolidation of power so much easier, but still

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

Hell yeah let's undo the FDR term limit bill and get more people like him elected.

[–] crime@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

That was fast

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 11 months ago

The ACLU is going to fight this hard. Until it passes, then they'll support it 100%.

[–] Firstnamebunchofnumbers@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shouldve done thia earlier so we coulda voted in jimmy carter

[–] crime@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Carter only did one term, we coulda been voting for him this whole time

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would be extremely funny if most of the dems voted no but republicans find a way to push it through anyway vote

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